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Re-upped after running the Trial last October, just checking in.

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Calairis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-21 18:20:29 UTC
I played through the trial and remember a bit of how things work, but am starting more or less from scratch. Currently re-running the tutorials between school and work, and I remember it was recommended to finish the first storyline missions after that. In case anyone feels like clearing up a few questions...


  1. Is there a scene for casual player vs player action, and if so how does one break into it?
  2. What are the best activities for players with somewhat limited time during the week for keeping themselves well-funded?
  3. Is there a sweet spot between generalizing and specializing with skills? I've heard too much of either is bad.
  4. Are there any 'unusual' events I should keep an eye out for, like contests, scripted or live GM affairs, etc?


Also, admonitions for being a dumb newb now accepted.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#2 - 2012-05-21 18:54:19 UTC
Holy carp, someone who actually uses the list BBcode tag! Have a space-like.



  1. Casual PvP. It's there if you look hard enough. It depends on your corp and how laid back they are, or what PvP they do. I've found that neither size nor location are very reliable indicators of that, but 0.0 and wormhole corps do tend to be more "hardcore". Something you have to realize is that, despite you being a casual PvPer, you can run into both other casual players or into people who spend 23 hours a day playing to win. That means that you will often be outgunned or outskilled, and you need to find a way to compensate for that. Flying with friends is a good one. Oh, and you also need to be okay with dying repeatedly, because it will happen.

  2. Self-funding on limited time. Depends on what you want to fly. If it's just T1-fit frigates and cruisers, it's possible to fund yourself by PvP alone. More, and you have to start doing some ISK-earning. There are a wide variety of things to do for ISK, with some being quite light on time (e.g. exploration, trading, scamming, or possibly a 3rd party service of some kind that you run). Check out the graph of what to do (a bit dated, but still good).

  3. Generalizing vs specializing. Specialize until you're satisfied with your ships' performance, then specialize on something else. Most of the time, many of the skills will also apply to the new thing already, and you will have a leg up. For example, cruiser guns use the same gun support skills as frigate guns. The only difference is that you have Medium Projectile Turret instead of Small Projectile Turret (if Minmatar). This also applies to cross-race training. Point of note: do not try to fly the biggest ship you can, as soon as possible. As I mentioned, you will die a lot, and losing cheaper ships is a less painful way to learn hard lessons.

  4. 'Unusual events'. Um... Hulkageddon, currently. CCP might do something shiny for Inferno. You may also want to look into how incursions work, if only to not be surprised by uber-powerful NPCs in hisec. Other than that, not really.


Oh, and you are a dumb newb.

Being a newbie is okay, so long as you accept the fact you don't know it all, and are willing to learn. Posting a thread like this one here shows you're doing it right. Rock on!

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Calairis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-05-21 23:01:42 UTC
Haha, thanks for single-handedly tackling the thread!

Sounds like I will focus on stocking up on replacement ships while I skill up, and try the activities you linked to. Exploration sounds like a start.

Cheers!
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#4 - 2012-05-21 23:33:33 UTC
You're welcome. I try to help newbies, and especially well-articulated inquisitive ones.

A piece of unsolicited advice for you: join a corp. Finding some people you can hang out with, and especially some vets who are interested in helping you out, is crucial in Eve enjoyment. Eve is a social game, and because of this, especially difficult solo.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Calairis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-05-22 12:43:50 UTC
Okay, one last group of follow-ups and I can let this thread die a happy death.

For joining a corp: I have the recruitment chat channel, the recruitment forum, and... anything else? Is it more of an 'ideal' situation to just 'Show Info' on everyone you see until you find a corp description you like? How about all those advert canisters floating in space... just the equivalent of spam?
Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#6 - 2012-05-22 15:29:05 UTC  |  Edited by: Sin Pew
Calairis wrote:
Okay, one last group of follow-ups and I can let this thread die a happy death.

For joining a corp: I have the recruitment chat channel, the recruitment forum, and... anything else? Is it more of an 'ideal' situation to just 'Show Info' on everyone you see until you find a corp description you like? How about all those advert canisters floating in space... just the equivalent of spam?
I'd say littering, but yeah...
As for finding corps, recruitment chat channel is heavily spammed and might not be the best place to look, the forum is more quiet to scrutinize and often comes with out of game links that can help you make your mind, other than that, I usually lurk in public channels of corps whose members contribute with quality on the forums, it's one of the few places where I can make myself an opinion. Of course some new players have a knack for asking questions in a way that can only end in flames, but over time I noted some names and I'm watching you guyz!Twisted
Edit: I forgot to mention word of mouth, indeed.

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#7 - 2012-05-22 15:45:01 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
Calairis wrote:
Okay, one last group of follow-ups and I can let this thread die a happy death.

For joining a corp: I have the recruitment chat channel, the recruitment forum, and... anything else? Is it more of an 'ideal' situation to just 'Show Info' on everyone you see until you find a corp description you like? How about all those advert canisters floating in space... just the equivalent of spam?
I'd say littering, but yeah...
As for finding corps, recruitment chat channel is heavily spammed and might not be the best place to look, the forum is more quiet to scrutinize and often comes with out of game links that can help you make your mind, other than that, I usually lurk in public channels of corps whose members contribute with quality on the forums, it's one of the few places where I can make myself an opinion. Of course some new players have a knack for asking questions in a way that can only end in flames, but over time I noted some names and I'm watching you guyz!Twisted
Edit: I forgot to mention word of mouth, indeed.

Good stuff there, but I would like to add that on top of those advertisement cans being "litter", I would actively counter-recommend applying to any corp that advertises that way, as well as any corp that advertises in local. Those corps are desperate for members, and are likely to be full of poor quality members and spies, and to be sub-par corps in general. Word of mouth and forums I'd say are far more dependable ways of finding a corp.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-05-22 20:45:14 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
on top of those advertisement cans being "litter", I would actively counter-recommend applying to any corp that advertises that way, as well as any corp that advertises in local. Those corps are desperate for members, and are likely to be full of poor quality members and spies, and to be sub-par corps in general. Word of mouth and forums I'd say are far more dependable ways of finding a corp.
^^This man knows teh game, you can trust him... unless he asks you transfer him millions or all your assets... those you can send to meCool

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#9 - 2012-05-22 20:54:48 UTC
Sin Pew wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
on top of those advertisement cans being "litter", I would actively counter-recommend applying to any corp that advertises that way, as well as any corp that advertises in local. Those corps are desperate for members, and are likely to be full of poor quality members and spies, and to be sub-par corps in general. Word of mouth and forums I'd say are far more dependable ways of finding a corp.
^^This man knows teh game, you can trust him... unless he asks you transfer him millions or all your assets... those you can send to meCool

Don't be fooled, I am actually intensely bad at Eve. You can ask anyone in Rifterlings and they will confirm that I am pretty much the worst.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Lyric Lahnder
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-05-22 21:14:15 UTC
Red Vs Blue will take any one and is hard core focused on having fights all of the time. People consider it to be casual pvp.

The only reason I wouldn't suggest us, is because we take our pvp pretty seriously KD ratio and all that. Plus our pvp is more like a ongoing form of competition not something to do just to see blue flashies when you feel like it.

Trading is a very simple thing to do to make isk. You only need the time to check in and flip your orders. Find something on the market that is moving, and has a good margin and pounce.

For cross training By training the core skills for pvp, that make you tank more and deal more damage will also make you more effective in mission runnning, so theres two things in game your effectively cross training too all at once.

Other stuff like Inventor - Ewar pilot, doesn't exactly cross train all that well.

Your more likely to cross train between races then actual professions. Those will also unlock pirate factions ships.

For instance:
Minmitar -> Amar (Blood raider)
Gallente -> Minmitar(Serpentis, Angel)
Caldari -> Amar (Sansha nation)
Caldari -> Minmitar (nothing its just easy to do)

Noir. and Noir Academy are recruiting apply at www.noirmercs.com I Noir Academy: 60 days old must be able to fly at least one tech II frigate. I Noir. Recruits: 4:1 k/d ratio and can fly tech II cruisers.

Kahega Amielden
Rifterlings
#11 - 2012-05-22 21:18:26 UTC  |  Edited by: Kahega Amielden
Quote:
The only reason I wouldn't suggest us, is because we take our pvp pretty seriously KD ratio and all that. Plus our pvp is more like a ongoing form of competition not something to do just to see blue flashies when you feel like it.


So, I say this without trying to sound all that hostile...But taking KD ratio seriously doesn't mean you "take PVP seriously", it means you're killboard whores.
Which I guess might make sense for a mercenary group, but I felt the need to point out that things like KD ratio aren't much of an indication of anything so as not to give newbies the wrong idea.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#12 - 2012-05-22 21:32:29 UTC
Kahega Amielden wrote:
Quote:
The only reason I wouldn't suggest us, is because we take our pvp pretty seriously KD ratio and all that. Plus our pvp is more like a ongoing form of competition not something to do just to see blue flashies when you feel like it.


So, I say this without trying to sound all that hostile...But taking KD ratio seriously doesn't mean you "take PVP seriously", it means you're killboard whores.
Which I guess might make sense for a mercenary group, but I felt the need to point out that things like KD ratio aren't much of an indication of anything so as not to give newbies the wrong idea.

You certainly know how to make friends.

This is one of the reasons I am terrible at Eve, my KD ratio is only 1.037. Sad

My ISK destroyed to ISK lost ratio is 5.26, my efficiency is 86%, and my arbitrary statistic is 48.14.

(Psst, Calairis, statistics don't mean crap. Don't listen to people who use them as standalone measures of anything.)

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)

Sin Pew
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#13 - 2012-05-23 05:30:35 UTC
Those statistics serve to mesure 2 things intimately related, people often say they're inversly proportional, but teh game iz ESRB T so I can't go into much details... Roll

[i]"haiku are easy, But sometimes they don't make sense, Refrigerator."[/i]

Calairis
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#14 - 2012-05-23 16:04:03 UTC
Haha! I'm obviously not prepared for serious PvP, not even sure how seriously I could get into it. In most games I've played you have to grind and grind until you have the best everything until you can do anything serious in PvP, but from what I hear it scales better in Eve. I would have to defer to the veterans on the truth of that.

I will look into trading as Lyric suggested, though I imagine it to be more inconsistent, opportunity-based type income.

So far so good, little things coming back, lots to figure out. Again, the info is much appreciated.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#15 - 2012-05-23 16:16:25 UTC
Calairis wrote:
Haha! I'm obviously not prepared for serious PvP, not even sure how seriously I could get into it. In most games I've played you have to grind and grind until you have the best everything until you can do anything serious in PvP, but from what I hear it scales better in Eve. I would have to defer to the veterans on the truth of that.

I will look into trading as Lyric suggested, though I imagine it to be more inconsistent, opportunity-based type income.

So far so good, little things coming back, lots to figure out. Again, the info is much appreciated.

You can hop into a PvP-ready frigate within the first few days. My Eve experience:

  1. Days 1-5: Run tutorials, Sisters of Eve mission arc, and start doing level 1 missions.
  2. "This is incredibly boring!"
  3. Days 6-14: Join militia (not a militia corp), and start PvPing.
  4. "This is fun, but everything is so disorganized!"
  5. Days 15-?: Join 0.0 PvP alliance, regularly contribute to kills.
  6. "All shall tremble before the might of my frigate!"


Since that point 2.5 years ago, I have been through a slew of experiences, and I am currently leading a lowsec frigate-oriented militia corp, Rifterlings, on the Minmatar side. Recruitment is open to everyone, with no restrictions on experience or skill points, and with a newbie-friendly focus, to get everyone shooting things. We get regular action, with lots of success and sweet kills.

For a recent example of newbies not being worthless, you should check out this kill. That was Lilianna's first kill ever. Yeah, it was a massive stroke of luck, and there were a million things it could have gone wrong, but when you're fighting a ship worth 60 million ISK in a ship worth 1 million ISK, what more can you ask? Pirate

Anyway, this is sounding like a recruitment ad, and it shouldn't. My point is just that you should never think "I can't do PvP because of low skill points". Everyone can contribute, and often one more frigate is the difference between victory and defeat.

(If you do want to take this as a recruitment ad, details are below ↴ P)

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)