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[Proposal ] The Removal of Ice from High Security Systems


Abstract (TL;DR): Removing Ice from high sec would greatly benefit the Eve Market in many ways.


Background:
I've traded ice for several years. I've watched market trends, as well as ridden events like today's Oxygen Isotope run.

Removing ice from high would cause a very big change in eve, starting with the more obvious, rising iso prices which would directly effect POS fueling costs.

Less supply in empire would decrease the amount of macro miners in eve. I do not have real statistics, however through empirical data, I've seen many people warp to the belt, cut for a while, and warp off.
Most of what I've seen is NOT a group activity, but a solo activity. A solo activity that seems like it would be easy to accomplish with a bot.

With rising POS fuel prices, many different markets would be effected.
R&D prices would go up (BPC's would increase as well as BPO research) With an increase in BPC prices, t2 prices would also suffer the trickle effect.

While supply and demand are always linked, if ice products rise in price, PI would suffer a shortfall.
If a corp can not afford Iso's, they will also not be purchasing Coolant for example. If a corp can not afford the fueling for a tower, they would be less likely to buy a tower, further trickling PI and PI manufacturing.

T2 production speculation is a very interesting topic indeed. Currently, fuel already costs close to the gross of a C-Reaction twin tower setup (complex reaction). Further fuel price increases would drive the t2 margin down, cutting supply of lower end reactions. When the lower end reactions suffer a supply shortfall however, it will in fact drive down more valuable moon minerals down as well, Technetium should fall, as well as R32-64 mats.
Once the markets reaches a state of equilibrium, overall t2 production should become profitable again, with the more abundant C-reactions value increasing, where the current bottlenecks value decreasing (ie, silicates go up, Tech goes down).

Please note, I said ice should be removed from High sec, NOT Low Sec.

Lowsec ice abundance would still allow availability for aspiring corps to access. However people whom reap benefits from botting or going AFK, would not be able to gain resources as easily.

From my mathematical simulations, I would expect Iso's to equalize around 900isk-1100isk per, six months to one year after implementation.

If not remove, at least several reduce in quantity.

(It's my understanding that ice fields don't currently deplete. I'm saying change that)

Obvious troll is obvious. This would crush the market for everyone in high sec and wormholes that depends on the ice to survive. Side effects would spill over into insane prices on T3 ships, many pos's failing and wormhole corps being unable to maintain themselves.

The sheer stupidity of this idea indicates the OP must be a troll.

People like you are why CSM is such a joke.

You know what's also not worth it? Ice mine in lolzsec. Without major changes to make barges survivable/useable, no highsec ice = no ice, period.

Market speculation is obviously something decisions should be based on, not the eventual stabilization point, right?

Yes I think it would profit eve very much if ice was removed from highsec

Good one, I laughed so much it hurt.

This has nothing to do with botting or making Ice mining a profitable profession and everything about creating a viable non Tech based monopoly with which to fund GSF's ship replacement program.

I stopped reading when he said no one mines ice in 0.0.


Granted they may ship in SOME ice from 0.0 but the ice in 0.0 is far more "rich" than the crap you get in high sec.

Obviously this is a glorified troll.

I would like to see all High-Sec Mining (Ice and Roids) moved to exploration mining (low quantities per site, with a high respawn rate, and a maximum duration, to cycle the spots almost empty). The micro-management of the spawns size and rate would allow to help limit the explosion of material cost (even if it would mostly make alloys more expensive and farmed).

That s a great way to limit botting, and make mining a valuable profession... while making Low Sec, Null Sec and WH mining more important.

For Ice mining, the composition of Ices (or the availability in Null/Low) should be tweaked to allow a full autonomy from High-Sec old sources.

True, it does not solve Null Sec botting, but this is only a first step.

Next step would be to increase Exploration importance for Null Sec, to allow mining non standard materials (that lack in Null), and limit the types of roids available in normal belts.

For Low-Sec, a middle ground solution can be found, as their roids contain most materials, but who mines in Low ?

For WH, low-end roids should be more available, to allow some autonomy, depending of the class and type.

It is true that it would be a lot of (bot) subscriptions cancelled, as mining would not be that easy, but any change cause such claims anyway.

It would be altogether terrible if you removed ice from hisec without adding it to wormholes. Wormhole logistics is complicated enough without making it worse.