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The New Inventory System on SISI - Player Words Not Being Heard
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Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#21 - 2012-05-22 00:04:34 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Drake Draconis wrote:
Just so you guys get the picture.... I'm not saying theres a problem...or theres no problem.

I'm saying this is a test server....that means its not concrete....don't assume everything on sisi will carry over.

Even then...typically no ones going to really raise a ruckus until its gone live...and sometimes...you just can't win any arguments with the dev's until the larger audience picks up.

Keep in mind....SISI is a Beta test server....so take everything you see there with a bit of salt.Cool



With a patch hours away and the response from the Dev team. I'm going to imagine that it is how it is since they haven't had a chance to test any additional changes to modifications in the inventory code.

It would be a very bad idea, hours before a major patch launch to add core code to a system that hasn't been tested.

See: Boot.ini


your not gonna have much say in the matter and posting about it here since its not even live yet won't get you anywhere either.

And sorry to say...I'd rather see for myself before I'm sold I'm "petitioning". (On live not SiSi)

So we shall wait and see then. Blink

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Angry Onions
League of Angered Gentlemen
#22 - 2012-05-22 01:07:46 UTC
Zagdul wrote:
Angry Onions wrote:
New inventory system works fine, everyone needs to stop their bitching. Once I familiarized myself with the new system (a grand five minutes total) it has been working amazingly well. I hope to see this on TQ soon.


You sir, need to watch the video.

I am quoting you as I will come back to this post in a week and ask you to please restate this claim with a straight face.

Yes, the new inventory system is the right idea. However, it's current state is not going to make people happy. AT ALL.


If it was deployed into TQ as it is right now, I don't think too many people would have a serious issue with this. I've managed to use it just fine, and next week, I will probably post here saying the same damn thing. I think the issue you're having here is a personal issue that GameDevs can't fix, sorry bud.

S H I T P O S T I N G
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#23 - 2012-05-22 05:28:04 UTC
Angry Onions wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Angry Onions wrote:
New inventory system works fine, everyone needs to stop their bitching. Once I familiarized myself with the new system (a grand five minutes total) it has been working amazingly well. I hope to see this on TQ soon.


You sir, need to watch the video.

I am quoting you as I will come back to this post in a week and ask you to please restate this claim with a straight face.

Yes, the new inventory system is the right idea. However, it's current state is not going to make people happy. AT ALL.


If it was deployed into TQ as it is right now, I don't think too many people would have a serious issue with this. I've managed to use it just fine, and next week, I will probably post here saying the same damn thing. I think the issue you're having here is a personal issue that GameDevs can't fix, sorry bud.



It's all speculation right now.

My prediction is rage.

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Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#24 - 2012-05-22 10:02:05 UTC
Angry Onions wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Angry Onions wrote:
New inventory system works fine, everyone needs to stop their bitching. Once I familiarized myself with the new system (a grand five minutes total) it has been working amazingly well. I hope to see this on TQ soon.


You sir, need to watch the video.

I am quoting you as I will come back to this post in a week and ask you to please restate this claim with a straight face.

Yes, the new inventory system is the right idea. However, it's current state is not going to make people happy. AT ALL.


If it was deployed into TQ as it is right now, I don't think too many people would have a serious issue with this. I've managed to use it just fine, and next week, I will probably post here saying the same damn thing. I think the issue you're having here is a personal issue that GameDevs can't fix, sorry bud.

Do you run a pos?
Davon Mandra'thin
Das Collective
#25 - 2012-05-22 11:29:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Davon Mandra'thin
I've used the new UI and frankly (with the exception of the terrible refresh rate) I don't see anything wrong with it.

I run a corporation, which means lots of windows. I also do alot of salvaging. Watching the video I cant help but say "He's doing it wrong", because I had no problems what-so-ever. Its called a "Unified Inventory" for a reason.

Also Drake is right about the whole "Its on the test server" thing. It wont be very long at all now until its released on TQ. If its still bad, rant away. Im sure that even I will eventually find reasons to complain.
Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#26 - 2012-05-22 12:34:28 UTC  |  Edited by: Tiger's Spirit
Davon Mandra'thin wrote:
... Watching the video I cant help but say "He's doing it wrong", because I had no problems what-so-ever. Its called a "Unified Inventory" for a reason.


What ? Every player got those problems. Maybe you need to open your eyes.
This Unified inventory system is a semi-developed inventory system in alpha state.
The opened windows dissapear when someone docking out or up. Same thing happen when the pilot change solar systems.
The system dont remember the windows positions and size and need to open and set again and again every time. Difficult to handling in many situations, (in pvp, for pos manager, for capitalship pilots,looting etc)

But you talking about, you had no problems. LOL
iLLeLogicaL
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#27 - 2012-05-22 15:08:04 UTC
This is ridicilous.
Players have been asking for the ability to name pos mods forever and we still don't have it.
Now they introduce a inventory window that looks super neat, works really fast but is not yet ready for release.

If you live at a pos you'll see your inventory cluttered with all the guns, all the smas, hangars without the ability to sort or filter of any kind. Which is a waste of my screen space, I don't want to see all my guns that I can't even access because they're 40K away.

And not even the search funtion is working properly :/ Check this out.
I mean come'on, this is ye olde ccp.

Not listening to players and just ******* their own game.
And check out the damn video goliath.
Zagdul
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#28 - 2012-05-22 16:42:25 UTC
Angry Onions wrote:
Zagdul wrote:
Angry Onions wrote:
New inventory system works fine, everyone needs to stop their bitching. Once I familiarized myself with the new system (a grand five minutes total) it has been working amazingly well. I hope to see this on TQ soon.


You sir, need to watch the video.

I am quoting you as I will come back to this post in a week and ask you to please restate this claim with a straight face.

Yes, the new inventory system is the right idea. However, it's current state is not going to make people happy. AT ALL.


If it was deployed into TQ as it is right now, I don't think too many people would have a serious issue with this. I've managed to use it just fine, and next week, I will probably post here saying the same damn thing. I think the issue you're having here is a personal issue that GameDevs can't fix, sorry bud.



Sup?

Have you seen general discussion in the past 5 minutes?

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Argyle Jones
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#29 - 2012-05-22 17:03:32 UTC
Abdiel Kavash wrote:
CCP RubberBAND wrote:

Our intention is to improve the user experience not hamper it.

Also kudos to Tippia who is making the most compelling arguments on the behalf of many of you. We are just human and are just looking for a conversation with the players (we want it!). But the old system is not coming back, but with your help we can make this new system what you guys need it to be.


...as long as we stick to using it "properly", I assume?

This is reminding me of incarnarage way too much. But this time there is no checkbox to disable.


Tippia's video is clear, precise and illustrates places where functionality is lost or the new UI can be improved upon. CCP RubberBAND is responding to that, promising that while the old UI isn't coming back, your concerns WILL be addressed.

How is that a problem? I realize the new inventory might not be perfect in this release, but give it a few patches and some time to have actual TQ feedback, before signing off and reaching for the monument shooting lasers.
Argyle Jones
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#30 - 2012-05-22 17:07:46 UTC
Zagdul wrote:


Sup?

Have you seen general discussion in the past 5 minutes?



People have a strange sense of entitlement these days. CCP is one of the few gaming companies that will go into a dialogue with it's player base, but thousand of EVE Online players seem to think that means they can have their specific pet peeve addressed... Immediately... With a personal apology from the company CEO...

You get to give them feedback. If it's constructive and well presented, they will likely listen to you and improve in future iterations. If you instead come off as an angry child, you're likely to be dismissed as such.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#31 - 2012-05-22 17:13:41 UTC
Argyle Jones wrote:
Zagdul wrote:


Sup?

Have you seen general discussion in the past 5 minutes?



People have a strange sense of entitlement these days. CCP is one of the few gaming companies that will go into a dialogue with it's player base, but thousand of EVE Online players seem to think that means they can have their specific pet peeve addressed... Immediately... With a personal apology from the company CEO...

You get to give them feedback. If it's constructive and well presented, they will likely listen to you and improve in future iterations. If you instead come off as an angry child, you're likely to be dismissed as such.






No they where given lots of good feedback as to why the new UI sucked and warned not to go live with the current system. They ignored all the advise and reservations, bought in a system which is less functional and less intuitive and now they get to listen to the complaints.

Tal
Tiger's Spirit
Templars of the Shadows
#32 - 2012-05-22 17:21:29 UTC
iLLeLogicaL wrote:
This is ridicilous.
Players have been asking for the ability to name pos mods forever and we still don't have it.
Now they introduce a inventory window that looks super neat, works really fast but is not yet ready for release.

If you live at a pos you'll see your inventory cluttered with all the guns, all the smas, hangars without the ability to sort or filter of any kind. Which is a waste of my screen space, I don't want to see all my guns that I can't even access because they're 40K away.

And not even the search funtion is working properly :/ Check this out.
I mean come'on, this is ye olde ccp.

Not listening to players and just ******* their own game.
And check out the damn video goliath.


Yup that is horribe. CCP didn't listen to playerbase.
Lot of players tell to CCP at least 1 month ago what is the problem with their new inventory system, some member created videos from mistakes, but CCP answer was this :

CCP Arrow wrote:

"In the sessions the whole team observed the live feed and took notes on everything the participants did. We don't do User Tests because we don't believe you when you say there is a problem, we want to address it correctly and by seeing it in action with our own eyes, we can more easily find a solution to the problems you have found."

So, where is the CSM when the playerbase need them ?
Why need moving to Jita or Amarr to shot monuments if the playerbase need attention ???

Just 1 year passed and CCP make same mistake again. They want lose in every years 20k players and they want fixing their mistakes in every year to bring them back ?
This is the smartest solution ?
Major Annoyance
Decadence.
RAZOR Alliance
#33 - 2012-05-22 18:21:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Major Annoyance
I must admit that I didn't check it out on Sisi. I should have done, because what I see on TQ, is simply bad. The people who came up with the concept for unified inventory obviously do not play EVE.

Draging stuff back and forth from/to that very minimalistic tree view is a pain. Delivering stuff to corp member hangars is almost impossible because only half of the hangars appear and the list isn't even sorted. Overall performance of anything related to corp hangars (still) sucks.
Marcus Caspius
#34 - 2012-05-22 20:01:03 UTC
I work in Software Engineering - If I gave a response to customer feedback like CCP Goliath did to my clients I'd be out on my arse!

Short and sweet is - the Inventory is SH!T!!!

Grammatical error and spelling mistakes are included for your entertainment!
Darth Kilth
KarmaFleet
Goonswarm Federation
#35 - 2012-05-22 20:23:06 UTC
With the amount of negative feedback it's a suprise they didn't hold of with releasing the new inventory management screen till it was actually usable.

CCP dropped the ball big time here, they should release it when it's ready not when it's barely out of alpha.
But it seems they wanted it out now regardless.
Marcus Caspius
#36 - 2012-05-22 22:27:22 UTC
Here is a clear indication that its a FAIL feature...

There is currently a flurry of mails in a corp on possible work around or possible tactics to avoid using it... Good god, who is the "Business Analyst " on the project? Do you not consult with the users?

CCP it also illustrates how out of touch some of your staff are with the customers needs.


seriously - W T F

Grammatical error and spelling mistakes are included for your entertainment!
Drake Draconis
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#37 - 2012-05-22 22:47:40 UTC
Admitedly I have yet to see this system.....but considering the hemoraging blood coming from various threanaughts...fair enough....I concede...this does not bode well.


USUALLY test servers are indicators of testing in progress...but it seems I have a little to much faith in CCP. What?Sad

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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#38 - 2012-05-23 02:41:05 UTC
Welp - it's out there and a bunch of folk unhappy about it.

So, CSM ... care to respond?
I seem to remember listening to you on EveRadio talking this up like it was really cool and useful?
It is obvious that none of you have even looked at it.
You all probably only log into Eve once a month or so and even then only sit on comms to issue orders to your minions.

Nothing clever at this time.
Jack Parr
Kzinti Hegemony
#39 - 2012-05-23 03:55:14 UTC
The CSM is pretty quiet. I don't think they understand they are supposed to HELP the player base. What's the point in having a CSM if they aren't going to help us?

Maybe they are waiting for the mittani to tell them what to do? Seems like they really are nothing but goonie pets.

"The best argument against democracy is a five-minute conversation with the average goon."      - The Mittani
Gaktern Flagg
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#40 - 2012-05-23 04:37:14 UTC
Completely agree with the OP. The new inventory system is broken.
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