EVE General Discussion

Dollars to donuts you can find someone in this thread who will gladly kick your teeth in with nothing but a T1 fit.

Edit: Nvm. Looked at your killboard and I see the problem now. The problem... is you.

You've been playing since 2008 and you still don't know how to competently fit a T1 cruiser.

It's hard to fight with most of your module slots empty.

Here's the thing. I'm not going to say you're outright stupid... yet... but with respect to internet spaceships, you are demonstrably incompetent. That's okay. Anyone can be taught.

What's problematic here, though, is that not only are you unaware of your incompetence, you're obnoxiously arrogant about the knowledge and ability that you don't even know you don't have.

Consider the above statement. The disparity is simply no where near that. Given the same skills, the T2 guns will typically do 25-35% more damage than Meta 0 guns. It is much, much less than that if you compare against meta 4. Admittedly, the pilot with T2 guns is likely to have significantly better skills that exacerbate the difference, but it's definitely not going to be by a factor of 9 for similar ships and guns.

That aside, PvP in Eve is a bit more complicated than simply trying to outlast each other's raw DPS. In a lot of fights, the losing party never even lands a shot. It doesn't much matter what their raw DPS potential is if they can't actually apply that DPS, and as long as you brought enough damage to break their tank, if you can get yourself into such a situation they are going to die in the absence of outside intervention.

There is only one type of EVE player, those that get "it". Those that don't, don't play. OP appears to be the latter.

from my perspective, it's more along the lines of how long it takes to become a good frig pilot...but there are no alternatives i can think of without incorporating grinding, which i don't want....or something that older players will exploit to their advantage

Just did a little test in EFT, and guess what there is a 18dps difference between T2 and the meta 3 and 4 T1 200mm guns w/ RF EMP S loaded. Dont believe me, check it your self.....


[Rifter, Test] - 138dps
Basic Co-Processor
Gyrostabilizer I
Gyrostabilizer I

1MN Afterburner I
Warp Disruptor I
Stasis Webifier I

200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm AutoCannon II, Republic Fleet EMP S
[empty high slot]

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]


[Rifter, Test2] - 120dps
Basic Co-Processor
Gyrostabilizer I
Gyrostabilizer I

1MN Afterburner I
Warp Disruptor I
Stasis Webifier I

200mm Light Prototype Automatic Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light Prototype Automatic Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP S
200mm Light Prototype Automatic Cannon, Republic Fleet EMP S
[empty high slot]

[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]
[empty rig slot]

This was done w/ all lvl 5 skills across the board to directly compare T2 vs T1

While that is correct, the real difference is the support skills....that's where it gets you. They could leave the ship skills as it is...it's all the support skills for the guns or missiles that is bothersome.

I'm just curious as to why you are not using T2 ammo.

Is that because you are being a deliberate liar?

How is he being a deliberate liar?

Oh, sure, Hail will show a little bit of a bump in paper DPS, but Hail isn't exactly a popular ammo choice. If I'm packing autocannons, I'm probably carrying RF for close range and Barrage for distance.

I guess you didnt read that part...

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=RcIgBZXTucw


As fit, the Velator in question does ~137 DPS, while the oracle can put out ~1000.

How the hell can the velator survive? It can't.

For most people i fully agree with that statement, but for the really old players of the game, even if we're a very small minority overall, the law of dimishing returns of kicking in pretty hard, as i'm not that far away from the 180 million skill point mark, and have all titans, dreadnaughts and carriers to lvl 5 for all races, and basically fly every single ship to it's near maximum potential.


So i do apreciate that CCP is interested in atracting more players and making the game easier( it is much easier than it used to be in the old days), but leaving the old farts of the game out to dry with nothing further to aim for as they have all the isk they could ever need, all the major skills maxed out, flying all the available ships in game extremely well, and owning all the skills period, without anything further to aim for makes many quit the game out of boredom by this point.



The idea that eve can never be beaten is true except if you're one of these old players that have stuck with the game for the last 9 years non stop.....CCP takes this crowd for granted and doesn't have to really do anything for them basically...