EVE General Discussion

yep you missed on another fact that price will probably also halve since now FW ppl can cash out LP with them.

Fun fact: Starship engineering fields had a 3x modifier on them for RP generation and datacore costs. Some other techs used for weapons had a 2x modifier on them. Among the changes mentioned was the removal of these modifiers (along with the uniform setting of datacore cost across all fields)

In other words, this is Working As Designed/Intended.

No, actually they posted and said they would redeem all datacores at patch time.....
Guess not?

You obviously haven't been running R&D agents yourself. If you had you would know that it is an incredibly large investment that takes a long time to complete and even then it is nowhere near being passive income.

1: The investment of skills and training time amounts to roughly 1,5B ISK, for 3 months of skill training.
2: The standings grind to get a character to lvl 4 research agents takes maybe 50 hours of play.
3: Even after you have grinded standings with the corporation, you now also have to grind standings with the individual agent.
4: The individual agent will only offer you 1 mission pr. day, so this will take AGES to get to a good level.
5: Once you're finally earning datacores you have to collect them fairly frequently as the market value changes fast.
6: Each R&D agent is usually located 15-20 jumps from eachother, so you literally have to fly hundreds of jumps to collect.
7: If you want them as an income source you need to sell them, which requires market activity, which again is not passive.
8: Even with 6 lvl 4 agents doing maxed R&D it will take almost two years to get return on initial investment.

So to reiterate. Lots of time and ISK invested, low rate of return, and not passive by any stretch of the imagination.

What bothers me most though is that they are uniformly distributing the datacores among the 4 faction warfare LP stores, which makes no sense. With the R&D agents you had corporations like Kaalakiota that has only 2 lvl 4 R&D agents compared to Lai Dai that has 7. The benefit of grinding standings with Kaalaiota was then that the datacores you could get were rarer and therefore more valuable (like high-energy physics or laser physics).

With Faction Warfare, this extra effort is wiped out, as all the datacores will cost the same amount of loyalty points and the FW pilots will not even need to train R&D skills to claim them. In effect out whole profession has been wiped out overnight. It's a terrible idea on every possible level.

If you wanted to make datacore farming less passive, then why not make an actual datacore farming interface, like PI or exploration, where you could do actual research and depending on your skills and understanding increase your output, instead of just dumping it on a group of people who does PVP in low-sec?

Huh. I saw 'cash out existing cores b4 Inferno,' somewhere official.
Glad I did.

what you fail to realize is who wants to waste LP on datacores when you can buy other faction goodies at half price from FW LP stores.

I foresee datacores prices skyrocketing shortly. T2 isnt already expensive enough :)

vic20

Where did you see that? Soundwave did an interview during fanfest with ten ton hammer advising people to redeem prior to inferno and if that wasn't enough the details of the change outlined if the FW blog should have been a good sign.

Yup. And it was good advice.

Without actually coming out and saying "Sell, you fools, SELL!," they still managed to telegraph the change pretty effectively.

Just checked EVEMon and my RP has been resoundly nerfed. Not as badly, I think - I'd say it's been halved but I never paid much attention to it before, to be honest. I cashed out on Sunday, though it looks like existing stockpiles are unaffected - just RP generated.

Some RP is better than none, though with the market in its present state datacore income isn't exactly substantial even before the RP earnings were halved.

Mayor problem what I do see is my investment in SP in arrea like Nuclear Physic. Trained these skills to level 5 and now I have no use for them I did it on 9 characters. Now all this is exactly wasted. Where is my SP refund CCP?

What smart brain did gave Data Cores to LP store. What the hell guns have relation to R&D? Does now need these FW pilots to learn Science, Reserach Project Management? If not then let them to need to learn these skills before they are able to redeem Data Cores at FW LP Store!

Or Refund me with 150 mio ISK and +4mil SP.