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Oppon's Pull
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#161 - 2012-05-22 17:14:39 UTC
I do like how the pre-emptive 'we won, we beat the Amarr' thread turned into a boohoo we attacked SOTF's allies and they helped defend them thread.
Tekitha
Esshulls Retirement Club
#162 - 2012-05-22 17:16:25 UTC
X Gallentius wrote:
I think the only thing people are really complaining about is the blue-on-blue PVP performed by SoTF.

Everything else is just same old, same old.



SOTF never fired a shot at a blue target ... Honestly, how ******* ******** are you?
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#163 - 2012-05-22 17:16:56 UTC  |  Edited by: X Gallentius
LOL, under the "It's not a crime if you don't get caught" category of faction warfare, Amarr bugged every plex in Kamela after downtime today.

/me waiting for reply from Damar about Gallente exploiting system, yada, yada, yada....

Edit: Looks like I was 4/4 on overview bugs this morning. .... Amarr are playing fair.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#164 - 2012-05-22 17:17:39 UTC
Tekitha wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
I think the only thing people are really complaining about is the blue-on-blue PVP performed by SoTF.

Everything else is just same old, same old.



SOTF never fired a shot at a blue target ... Honestly, how ******* ******** are you?

^^^ Forum troll.
Loriarti
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#165 - 2012-05-22 17:20:12 UTC
Horak Thor wrote:
Tekitha wrote:
For the record, SOTF mandate for today was as follows ...

assist WBR in holding their home system Kamela, the reason we got involved is simple. It's no secret that WBR and SOTF run joint ops regularly, providing both subcap support and heavy cap support for each other on a regular basis, it would severely diminish our capabilites to support each other in such a way if either of us were to lose our home systems, we could not allow this to happen.

Our engagement protocol for the op was clear, we were flying mostly guardians and supporting only by way of logistics, we also had one or two combat ships who were only given the green light to shoot neutrals and minmatar that WERE NOT BLUE

No blue pilots were fired upon in Kamela by SOTF pilots today

That is all


basically to all 3rd parties this is what SOTF did which was so nice to us their blues, they brought 15 guardians and multiple triage carriers into kamela, we obviously cant shoot blues meaning they removed our ability to ever contest majors, the bunker and anywhere outside mediums and minors.
an agreement was hashed that we wouldnt attack kamela if wbr didnt offensively plex until dt, we then proceeded to contest sahtogas which they forgot to mention on the agreement we also cant shoot, we told them to **** off tears were had, Drunk n disordely was reset, more tears were had.
when caldari need help taking your home system is it cool if we bring along a load of logi's and caps yeah?
ok cool cheers bro

oh and btw wbr has had to batphone cva aaa test goons, drunk n disorderly just to hold onto kamela, pro guys real pro



Hmmm... about the 'batphoning.' I'm sorry Amarr currently doesn't have the overwhelming superior numbers of the Minmatar Militia. It pains me that they would have to call in allies, however, don't cry and whine when they call in enough groups to equalize the numbers, they were one corp, and even if they are the strongest, still one corp verses the might of the Minmatar Militia. I doubt you would have downshipped or allowed 'good fights' to occur without spamming them with unbeatable numbers.

Also, "when caldari need help taking your home system is it cool if we bring along a load of logi's and caps yeah? "

Amarr wasn't taking your home system, you were taking there's, and there is a huge difference. If they assault the FINAL caldari stronghold, go help Caldari, but you're painting yourself as the defender, you're not, you were the aggressor. The difference isn't something you can sweep under the table.
chatgris
Quantum Cats Syndicate
Of Essence
#166 - 2012-05-22 17:25:33 UTC  |  Edited by: chatgris
X Gallentius wrote:
I think the only thing people are really complaining about is the blue-on-blue PVP performed by SoTF.

Everything else is just same old, same old.



I disagree with this. The blue-on-blue PVP that SOTF performed is their own business, and if that was it I wouldn't care all that much. What infuriates me is what I view as SOTF's traitorous acts against the Federation. We're allied with the Minmatar, we can capture Amarr plexes and defend Minmatar plexes, and the Federation even gives us LP for performing those actions.

Instead, SOTF actively defended amarrian plexes. And while doing so must have consciously stayed off the plex capture button so that their Federation Militia status would not interfere with the defending of the Amarrian plex.

At the same time, SOTF do good work in the Gallente/Caldari theatre, and they've got a lot of great guys in corp. I'd also like to state that I have great respect for WBR, and have participated in blue ops with them in the past and would not hesitate to do so again should a mututally beneficial situation arise. I have no issue with friendship across militia lines against non-militia targets.

But the fact that they directly defended an Amarrian plex in contravention of the alliances between the Gallente and Minmatar (and I mean by game mechanics where we actually capture amarrian plexes, not by blues between corporations) is what incenses me.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#167 - 2012-05-22 17:26:14 UTC
Seriously, did anyone expect anything other than betrayal from the Frogs? :)
sYnc Vir
Wolfsbrigade
Ghost Legion.
#168 - 2012-05-22 17:35:27 UTC
Sometimes you just have to say,

God I love EvE

Don't ask about Italics, just tilt your head.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#169 - 2012-05-22 17:38:42 UTC
Veshta Yoshida wrote:
So you were ****-blocked by an ally (and known affiliate of an enemy) and sent out solo frigates to plex everything in sight in retaliation .. imagine if you had the same NPC issues, that we have lived with for four damn years, then the block might have had meaning.

Wake me up when CCP gets around to doing the hard part: Balancing rather than the easy bit of throwing ISK/LP at people.
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
Hahahaha I sincerely hope you're banking on this being how missions work.

How else would they work with occupancy out and only sovereignty left to distinguish system ownership .. they either allow missions to 'friendly' space thus creating the biggest FarmVille™ rip-off in history, make a 'hidden' flag to send to previously hostile systems thus creating the second biggest FarmVille™ rip-off in history or they send mission whores to hostile systems.
PS: Any of the three are possible with CCP Flip-Flop in charge though, so at this point your guess is as good mine I reckon Smile
Who is "CCP Flip-Flop", Prithee?
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#170 - 2012-05-22 17:44:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Gallactica
chatgris wrote:
X Gallentius wrote:
I think the only thing people are really complaining about is the blue-on-blue PVP performed by SoTF.

Everything else is just same old, same old.



I disagree with this. The blue-on-blue PVP that SOTF performed is their own business, and if that was it I wouldn't care all that much. What infuriates me is what I view as SOTF's traitorous acts against the Federation. We're allied with the Minmatar, we can capture Amarr plexes and defend Minmatar plexes, and the Federation even gives us LP for performing those actions.

Instead, SOTF actively defended amarrian plexes. And while doing so must have consciously stayed off the plex capture button so that their Federation Militia status would not interfere with the defending of the Amarrian plex.

At the same time, SOTF do good work in the Gallente/Caldari theatre, and they've got a lot of great guys in corp. I'd also like to state that I have great respect for WBR, and have participated in blue ops with them in the past and would not hesitate to do so again should a mututally beneficial situation arise. I have no issue with friendship across militia lines against non-militia targets.

But the fact that they directly defended an Amarrian plex in contravention of the alliances between the Gallente and Minmatar (and I mean by game mechanics where we actually capture amarrian plexes, not by blues between corporations) is what incenses me.


Rubbish Chat, no offense mate,

We helped a friend defend there home system, nothing more nothing less.

Minmatar couldn't keep to a arranged AGREED compromise and so drama ensued.
Tanaka Sekigahara
United Space Marine Corp
#171 - 2012-05-22 17:44:41 UTC
Owena Owoked wrote:
Zeerover wrote:
Owena Owoked wrote:
http://eve-kill.net/?a=kill_detail&kll_id=13433579

Not only have SotF alligned themselves with the Amarr, but the Amarr are now shooting Caldari as well. There is no honor in the Amarr and Gal forces anymore.


You aggroed a fleet member, then you were taken out. Until downtime no one who shoots the Amarr fleet is left alone, no matter what faction you are in. We'll sort out the friendly fire from the legit targets after downtime.

I agressed no Amarr pilot, but if you are harboring enemies in your fleet then you are not a friend. Simple as that. Any Cal mil pilot helping the amarr is an enemy of the state.
How does that even make sense??
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#172 - 2012-05-22 17:44:50 UTC
chatgris wrote:
But the fact that they directly defended an Amarrian plex in contravention of the alliances between the Gallente and Minmatar (and I mean by game mechanics where we actually capture amarrian plexes, not by blues between corporations) is what incenses me.
Interesting perspective chatgris. I've seen so many alts in militia over the years capturing/defending plexes and such that I've become numb to it. But yeah, the blue-on-blue stuff affects them and them alone.
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#173 - 2012-05-22 17:46:49 UTC
At no point were blues engaged.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#174 - 2012-05-22 17:51:23 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
We helped a friend defend there home system, nothing more nothing less.


That "friend" was on the opposite side of FW. I have no objection to helping out a friend, but when they're on the opposite side of a war you agreed to fight - and remember, FW is entirely voluntary - that's what is, in a few rare high-society circles, known as "kind of a **** move". Having blues on the opposite side of FW is a very clear conflict of interest.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#175 - 2012-05-22 17:51:50 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
At no point were blues engaged.

^^^ Forum troll as well.

Either that, or I guess Tekitha and Gallactica want to get into a discussion on why RR'ing blues who are shooting people who are currently blue to them isn't blue-on-blue.
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#176 - 2012-05-22 17:54:52 UTC
Joanna Ramirez wrote:
Hrett wrote:
Another reason we didnt cap any offensive systems is that due to a bug, our entire corp was not in GalMil during the most important plexing day of the year. We simply could not run buttons. Hopefully that will be fixed today. ;)


So you screwed up with your alt corp who has high enough standings to never pull npc aggro from plexes?




No. Everything isnt a conspiracy theory. We left alliance, but fatfingered something and it kicked us out of FW too. Its resolved now.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#177 - 2012-05-22 17:56:32 UTC
Andreus Ixiris wrote:
Gallactica wrote:
We helped a friend defend there home system, nothing more nothing less.


That "friend" was on the opposite side of FW. I have no objection to helping out a friend, but when they're on the opposite side of a war you agreed to fight - and remember, FW is entirely voluntary - that's what is, in a few rare high-society circles, known as "kind of a **** move". Having blues on the opposite side of FW is a very clear conflict of interest.


So tell me why half of the minmatar corps / alliances have had us at -10 for a long time just because of our roe?

That isn't allies / friends.
Princess Nexxala
Zero Syndicate
#178 - 2012-05-22 18:03:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Princess Nexxala
Gal, you have to understand that to a lot of folks, repping people shooting blues is the same as shooting blues. I know your smart enough to understand that and why people would feel that way. Right or wrong it's how many see this. So no matter how many times you say this and how many people Tek calls a ******* ****, it is what it is.

Gallactica wrote:
At no point were blues engaged.


Personally I don't give a damn, less blues = more **** to shoot. I use to love flying with the minnies, but after going -10 they usually just try to shoot me anyways. Was down there the other day helping them out and got engaged by more minnies then I did Amarr. **** happens...move on.

EDIT: And if you were not blue with anyone the Amarr were shooting, then why is this even an issue? Are people under the impression that all minnies and gals are blue to one another? Because they most certainly are NOT, and if you have a problem with that talk to CCP, they came up with the game mechanics.

nom nom
Gallactica
Shadows Of The Federation
#179 - 2012-05-22 18:11:16 UTC
Princess Nexxala wrote:
Gal, you have to understand that to a lot of folks, repping people shooting blues is the same as shooting blues. I know your smart enough to understand that and why people would feel that way. Right or wrong it's how many see this. So no matter how many times you say this and how many people Tek calls a ******* ****, it is what it is.

Gallactica wrote:
At no point were blues engaged.


Personally I don't give a damn, less blues = more **** to shoot. I use to love flying with the minnies, but after going -10 they usually just try to shoot me anyways. Was down there the other day helping them out and got engaged by more minnies then I did Amarr. **** happens...move on.

EDIT: And if you were not blue with anyone the Amarr were shooting, then why is this even an issue? Are people under the impression that all minnies and gals are blue to one another? Because they are most certainly NOT, and if you have a problem with that talk to CCP, its no one here fault that the game mechanics are the way they are.


True nexx, repping isn't ideal - it was the only choice tho without going full combat fleet.

I dont disagree with what you are saying.
Del Vikus
Sundered Core
#180 - 2012-05-22 18:11:25 UTC
Gallactica wrote:
At no point were blues engaged.


And you see nothing wrong with repping the guys who are shooting your blues?

Wait, why did I just write that -- of course you don't. Because helping the enemies of your allies is a completely neutral activity that nobody should ever get pissed about because it has no repercussions.

Has every SOTF response to this thread just been a trololololol, or do they actually have anything to say? WB's position I can understand (as wussy as it is), but I've still got the Logic-Monkeys working overtime to determine a solution as to why SOTF is surprised at the reaction to their "No blues engaged" defense.