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Hangars are BROKEN.

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MamCieZjemCie
Processor Co
#1 - 2012-05-22 14:51:29 UTC  |  Edited by: MamCieZjemCie
Ok list of things CCP broke this time.

1. Hangars/Corp Hangars in station close after undock
2. Hangars/Corp Hangars in station don't remember there last position
3. Item, Ship, Corp hangar, Delivery hangar buttons are missing
4. Hangar name on tab is not seen now.... some junk added before it resulting in names being out of this tiny tab

5. Corp POS storage don't open in last closed place
6. Opening new POS storage close old one
7. Can't acces Corp hangars at POS... only way to do so is to find it from list of 150-200 positions

List of things CCP broke earlier and havent fix yet.

1. Hitting Dock button without enought cap for whole warp will stop you half way
2. Mission "Read Details" info don't remember position where were last time open



PS. Those things are broken, those arent changes, for changes you can count new filter's, left side item window tab or Est. price of goods in hangar
Cedar Locus
Fleet 2 die
#2 - 2012-05-22 14:54:07 UTC
it are features
Fynen
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-05-22 14:56:27 UTC
Its a tradition Microsoft first introduced years ago. Its not a bug, its a feature! ;o)
Andy910
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-05-22 15:08:06 UTC
Corp hangers also dont tell you what kind of access that you have to them
MamCieZjemCie
Processor Co
#5 - 2012-05-22 15:08:23 UTC
Some lil edit were done, but I also wanted to advice you who found them self in same situation as me to file stuck petition, if they brake content let them know about this and poke in heads people responsible for it.
MamCieZjemCie
Processor Co
#6 - 2012-05-22 15:42:57 UTC
Not many interest you guys have in sorting it out looks like :)
Zenst
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-22 15:50:19 UTC
old hanger system back please, dont make me spin my ship to explain why!
Crosi Wesdo
War and Order
#8 - 2012-05-22 15:53:50 UTC
i want my old cargo windows back. **** this hanger, it takes far more mouse clicks+ shift clicks to do what was easy and quick before with no actual benefit.
Zenst
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-22 16:17:42 UTC
Crosi Wesdo wrote:
i want my old cargo windows back. **** this hanger, it takes far more mouse clicks+ shift clicks to do what was easy and quick before with no actual benefit.



I'm glad it's not just me and everybody else who is noticing this - do you play the game perchance, I'm of the feeling that you actualy do play the game given this observation :).

How long to get back were we started and option to use old system? 3-6 months? :|
Argyle Jones
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#10 - 2012-05-22 16:21:38 UTC
Guys, take it easy.

There are certain truths about designing UI that you would do well to consider.

1: There are as many ways to use the UI as there are players using it.
2: It is impossible to create a UI that everyone will like.
3: This is the first stage of the new UI.

With Inferno CCP are replacing an old system that has grown into maturity over many years of tweaking, adjustment and patching. You cannot expect the new UI to top that on day one. Give it some time and it will probably end up better than the 10 different open windows we used to have, and free up some screen real estate.

Instead of crying like someone just peed on your sugar sandwich, use it for a couple of days, then give some constructive criticism on what would make it better.
Zenst
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-05-22 16:31:22 UTC
Argyle Jones wrote:
Guys, take it easy.

There are certain truths about designing UI that you would do well to consider.

1: There are as many ways to use the UI as there are players using it.
2: It is impossible to create a UI that everyone will like.
3: This is the first stage of the new UI.

With Inferno CCP are replacing an old system that has grown into maturity over many years of tweaking, adjustment and patching. You cannot expect the new UI to top that on day one. Give it some time and it will probably end up better than the 10 different open windows we used to have, and free up some screen real estate.

Instead of crying like someone just peed on your sugar sandwich, use it for a couple of days, then give some constructive criticism on what would make it better.






Well said. I tried using it for 20 minutes and found it unusable and constructively suggest they give the option to use the old system. I could spend all week, year indeed alifetime pllaying with it and conclude the same. But everybody is different, alas alot seem to be different in the same way when it came to this hanger bollocks and are also concluding along the same lines.

It's ship spinning all over again.
MamCieZjemCie
Processor Co
#12 - 2012-05-22 16:48:21 UTC
Argyle Jones wrote:
Guys, take it easy.

There are certain truths about designing UI that you would do well to consider.

1: There are as many ways to use the UI as there are players using it.
2: It is impossible to create a UI that everyone will like.
3: This is the first stage of the new UI.

With Inferno CCP are replacing an old system that has grown into maturity over many years of tweaking, adjustment and patching. You cannot expect the new UI to top that on day one. Give it some time and it will probably end up better than the 10 different open windows we used to have, and free up some screen real estate.

Instead of crying like someone just peed on your sugar sandwich, use it for a couple of days, then give some constructive criticism on what would make it better.





m8 but we play on live server, they have 2 test servers out there, and on sisi they had feedback that those GUI changes are junk, still they hit live server with them...
theteck
#13 - 2012-05-22 17:13:30 UTC
seriously


what the use of the beta is, if you dont listen the player that tested it ?


last time you tell everybody sorry we will more liten playerbase...


? lets me think the same people from the last time force employes to exit that maybe all complaing on beta ?


dont say again we are sorry ...


PS: when i go play a game its for the fun of playing it ....


you ruin this fun there








m8 but we play on live server, they have 2 test servers out there, and on sisi they had feedback that those GUI changes are junk, still they hit live server with them...[/quote]
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Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#14 - 2012-05-22 17:22:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Tippia
Argyle Jones wrote:
With Inferno CCP are replacing an old system that has grown into maturity over many years of tweaking, adjustment and patching. You cannot expect the new UI to top that on day one.
Actually, I can.

Step 1: figure out what the old system can do.
Step 2: make sure the new system can do it as well.
Step 3: add nice new features.

Quote:
Give it some time and it will probably end up better than the 10 different open windows we used to have, and free up some screen real estate.
The problem is that it currently does the exact opposite: you used to be able to consolidate your inventories to a minimum of very clearly defined windows that did exactly what you wanted them to do; that appeared exactly where you wanted them to appear with the exact size you wanted them to be; and which had the exact settings you wanted. Now, you have to keep (re)opening windows that spill all over the screen because it cannot do any of those things any more.

If you wound up with 10 different windows open before, it's because you hadn't really thought about how to set those windows up and you didn't care that it kept happening… so the new system solves nothing for you. Now, you no longer even have the option to do that kind of setup, so you have to have those 10 windows instead — not only does the new system not solve anything, it recreates problems that had already been solved.


I'll start to take it easy when they start responding to people taking it easy.
Since they don't, it's time for brutality and harsh language.
Argyle Jones
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#15 - 2012-05-22 17:57:42 UTC
Tippia wrote:
Argyle Jones wrote:
With Inferno CCP are replacing an old system that has grown into maturity over many years of tweaking, adjustment and patching. You cannot expect the new UI to top that on day one.
Actually, I can.

Step 1: figure out what the old system can do.
Step 2: make sure the new system can do it as well.
Step 3: add nice new features.

Quote:
Give it some time and it will probably end up better than the 10 different open windows we used to have, and free up some screen real estate.
The problem is that it currently does the exact opposite: you used to be able to consolidate your inventories to a minimum of very clearly defined windows that did exactly what you wanted them to do; that appeared exactly where you wanted them to appear with the exact size you wanted them to be; and which had the exact settings you wanted. Now, you have to keep (re)opening windows that spill all over the screen because it cannot do any of those things any more.

If you wound up with 10 different windows open before, it's because you hadn't really thought about how to set those windows up and you didn't care that it kept happening… so the new system solves nothing for you. Now, you no longer even have the option to do that kind of setup, so you have to have those 10 windows instead — not only does the new system not solve anything, it recreates problems that had already been solved.


I'll start to take it easy when they start responding to people taking it easy.
Since they don't, it's time for brutality and harsh language.


Well, I saw your video, and yes I never set my windows up quite as complex as you do in there. I typically just had my hangar, with a bunch of station containers in it to keep modules sorted and reduce loading/searching times when looking for a module. You have to realize that your unique UI configuration is pretty specific and when creating a new UI it will be impossible to address every unique configuration that every player has set up.

That said, the points you make in the video are all valid and I think CCP will certainly address the issue with disappearing windows and the lack of "memory" when it comes to the settings and positioning of windows. That's a blunder, it apparently took longer to fix than the release date allowed and a decision must have been made between delaying, cutting the feature or launching and release follow up patches.

I just don't think you'll accomplish anything with harsh language and brutality. Most people here are making incarna references, flaming devs and demanding the old system back.

CCP Phantom
C C P
C C P Alliance
#16 - 2012-05-22 18:02:32 UTC
Please report issues relating to Inferno in this official thread. General feedback about Inferno and Inferno related features should be posted in this official feedback thread, thank you.

CCP Phantom - Senior Community Developer