EVE General Discussion

Really? If life support includes the business of living a healthy life, I'd agree. CCP've cut their cholesterol levels quite severely recently. Last I heard there are 350k+ subscribers at $15/month. Not quite Blizzard, but a lot of game companies would find that a decent working income.


Can we get a filter for the words "most" and "majority" on these forums. They tend to be used in a way that is so incorrect it borders on profanity to these innocent ears.


And yet you do them. And you seem to want to replace Eve's grind-free training with something else, possibly something grindy. The first step to curing addiction is to acknowledge that you have one. Try something other than missions for a while. You may develop a better appreciation for the game.

EvE is a sandbox mmo, in this game, players are the content.

If you want roller coasters, go play theme park mmo's.

I believe the forum license agreement even says you are to check your basic logic and common sense at the door before reading lest you like having high blood pressure, doesn't it? lol

i'd rather and probably pay more if they introduced a test before you logged in.....

I understand the frustration you feel. As a new player I have found myself logging on and having nothing to do so I log right off. I have talked to people about goals only for them to ramble on about needed skills that will take me 90+ days to even think about.
Also the flavor of combat makes it very hard to get anything looking like a straight answer from people about t1 combat other then "you can tackle people".
I have undocked from a station knowing I was about to have a fight only to have my tank ripped away before I even understood what was going on.
I have rolled out in RvB and wondered if I was contributing anything to the gang.

So why do I play?
I am lazy for one. I do not have the will to "grind" in a mmo. On Eve I can log off and go play another game for a week and still be making progress.

The smell of old blood calls to me. This is not my first sandbox and I know the joy of carving up the galaxy and earning my respect, as well as the heart break of watching it fall around you. The call of history, personality, pride, and ego are like a drug to me. Here in Eve what you do can have a REAL effect on others and I look forward to testing myself. How many years before the old guard knows MY name I wonder.

I am told that with specialization I can reach a point where I can make real contributions to my team.


I understand your frustration and share it, but I do not see what I would recognize as a worthy alternative.

EVE's training system is one of the most awesome things about the game. I can be working, sleeping, dealing with family, cleaning / repairing the house, going on a business trip, and still be working my way to BC V. When I'm done w/ all my RL ****, my toon is better at eve and I can go have fun w/out grinding.

The best thing I did in this game was starting PVP as a noob with an incursus with meta zero crap. No disrespect to other players, but the whole need to train to fly a strat cruiser and then I'll pvp seems counter-productive. Most PVE is eye-bleeding boring in EVE. IMO, it's better to learn the player mechanics of PVP as a noob with T1 frigs or dessies then wait until you can fly a strat cruiser. Just my ISK 0.02.

i've never even used a t2 highslot module in pvp, i fly logi, bomber and covops where t2 versions aren't very useful :P

Either way, you should set your goals based on what you can do, and then play the game, the skills will come to you. I started out running low sec courier missions in an Atron, fun times :)

If you have no imagination EVE is not for you. Think of what you CAN do (and do it) not what you can't.

If you have friends you have even less excuse, 4 people in t1 frigs can do plenty of damage if you keep practicing.

This thread really does just reek of a few people obsessed with "bigger is better". New people join the game, they read about Carriers and Titans and think "ZOMG MUST FLY! BIG IST DAS BEST!", then see the training times and quit.

The only time people get dismayed with training time is when they don't learn to appreciate what they've got, and only ever look to something else. People use the "Eve isn't for you, go back to WoW!" argument, but the principle applies everywhere. You watch a raid video on youtube of someone doing a billion DPS in X spec on Y class, so you roll that class. Does that mean you can do a billion DPS the same as the guy in the video did within a week? Does it hell. You've still got to grind gear, and learn how to play the role, and find the guild that can be where they are etc.

Why should that be any different here? If you want to fly big shinies, or rare shinies, you've got to put in the god damn time. The most important part of that time is LEARNING AS YOU GO. I've known people that have actually done the research to pick and fit and shiny tech2/faction ship, EFT up a fit, make a skill list, get all the implants and so on (spending a lot of RL money in the process on plexes), background train for months to get there. Then they rock up in their strat cruiser or Macharial and announce to the world "COME AT ME!".... and then die instantly. And lose billions instantly. And unsub instantly. All because they didn't actually learn how to play.

Or better yet people that share the idiotic opinion that you can't PvP without T2 weaponry. Or better yet think that T2 weaponry = IWINlol. Again, rocking up in a ******** fitting, decked out in ACR rigs and RCUs/CoProcs just to fit a rack of T2 guns, having no navigation or tank skills and once again dying gloriously.

I'm a 2006 pilot, been a carebear, spent a year in nullsec, now a lowsec pirate. I can fly battleships, battlecruisers, can fit both tech 2 armour and tech 2 shield fits. I can fit up to medium tech 2 hybrids only, and that's it for weapons barring drones (was a gallente mission whore). Want to know what I enjoy the most right now? FRIGATES. That's right. I've got Navy issue Battleships, I could buy a Mach if I wanted, I can fly every Battlecruiser to the max with BC5 and top shelf tanking. And all I want to fly right now is Frigates. Tech 1, Assaults, Interceptors, I don't care, I just fudging love flying Frigates.

Learn to fly what you are able to. Learn to maximise what you can already fly. Work your way up gradually. The PvP'ers in this game love nothing more than yet another new guy that thinks "LULZ I HAVE BATTULSHIP, I CAN WIN UNIVERSE!" and rocks up in a Rokh mounting medium rails piloted by a 650m mixed random implants pod. Yes, we killed this just recently, one month old pilot.

JDC V. Once I get it, the "force projection" will be nerfed.

Tell your friends to stop training for titans ASAP. The longest skill you should train in your first few months in WU5, the longer ones can wait until they have a better grasp of how to play.

In eve your skills aren't the accomplishments. What you DO in the game is your accomplishment, skills just help you do more things faster.
Stop comparing frigs to battlecruisers silly.

TL;DR= Eve is not WOW, GW or whatever game you play, stop thinking it is. The endgame starts the first time you undock your ship.