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Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#141 - 2012-05-22 13:52:43 UTC
Galatica789 wrote:
I believed we told you to stay of Kamela, Everywhere else was fine


That is exactly what happened. Because you were our blues, we decided to try and take Sahtogas and leave Kamela alone, you guys started whining about us breaking the terms and that is when we decided to tell you all to go **** yourselves.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#142 - 2012-05-22 14:12:11 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
sYnc Vir wrote:
Inb4 all your missions spawn in Kamela and you get smartbombed and dram raped 24/7



Hahahaha I sincerely hope you're banking on this being how missions work.


Obviously you are a good CSM that is interested in helping out FW on all sides and not just passing on relevant info to guys on your side and using it to your own advantage.

Glad I kinda saw this coming and don't vote for CSM anyway..



I actually don't know whether this is the case with the missions, we'll have to confirm after Tranquility goes live this morning. This is one of several questions that I’ve asked the developers and didn’t hear an answer back yet. I was more laughing at people jumping to conclusions in general, on the issues that CCP hasn’t clarified.

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#143 - 2012-05-22 14:13:53 UTC
Mutnin wrote:
Lock out wrote:
Ironicly, if we would've played "the orthodox way" we would've stayed in Gal/Cal space and given that after Sunday caldari have given up, with another major push we would've more or less locked them outta low. Then (prolly exagerating here,we didn't have that much impact) in the same time, minnies would've kicked amarr outta the fw area. And only then the title of the OP would've been correct, only 2 militias would've been left.

This way, a lot of crappy ships died, resets were had, content was created, people were outraged, amused, intrigued, but in any case the strong reaction proves that it was quality content. Plus Hans got to smugface post "Working as intended" again.

Op success.


I think you are under- estimating what Caldari did over the last few days. We were very close to capturing Rak and IMO would have captured it had the rest of us known what was planned there. The biggest reason Rak wasn't captured is because the plexing started far too late and the amount of time need to go to vulnerable, drug us into time zone when you Gals could field better numbers.

There was a group of us on the night before, that could have very easily had that system close to vulnerable prior to that attack. We were actually looking for a target system but got bored and PVP'd instead, figuring there wouldn't be anyone to shoot a bunker anyway.

A little shared information among Caldari corps that knew, would have gone a very long way and I'm pretty sure had that happened with the numbers we had, Rak would of been ours.

After Rak, Caldari pushed Aiv into vulnerable status I believe 2 times. I wasn't around for this as I was a bit tired from fighting all night & day in Rak, so I dunno what all happened there other than I know the bunker was shot at at least two times.

However prior to this we had already seen some of the Gals bringing Caps into Eha.. While maybe we did not manage to force a system flip, we did manage to stop you Gals from capturing Eha or any other target systems you may of had prior to the attacks on Rak/Nis & then Aiv.

You guys really didn't have the ability to capture any new systems because we forced you to defend systems instead. I think Caldari didn't have any big pushes today prior to DT simply because most were likely burnt out on it and you Gals were not making any pushes at that point other than small attack on Akadgi and that was held off as well.


Another reason we didnt cap any offensive systems is that due to a bug, our entire corp was not in GalMil during the most important plexing day of the year. We simply could not run buttons. Hopefully that will be fixed today. ;)

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
Hrett
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#144 - 2012-05-22 14:16:42 UTC
I also feel I must point out that CCP's stated goal of this station lockout patch was to make FW have consequences and make it more like nullsec.

This thread proves they succeeded.

spaceship, Spaceship, SPACESHIP!
David Devant
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#145 - 2012-05-22 14:21:26 UTC
Aside from all the drama on the last day (which was also awesome) the real story here is how the Minmatar Militia took so many of your systems while you were busy pissing and moaning at one another. You can dress it up how you want but the reality is our entire militia pulled together to achieve domination of your space over a prolonged campaign. Whatever the debate over ehonour, your militia had to pull out all the stops to save a ****** little scrap of space.

I'm sure it won't last. FW has always gone in cycles etc etc. What I love however, is that Minmatar alliance leads (I am not one btw) saw a clear opportunity for advantage and exploited it to the hilt. The recepie for this was good communication rather than a decent T3 fleet. Much as I would give credit to WB-R for giving us lots of great fights, their recent campaign of trying to homogenise the Amarr militia under their colours is bad for everyone. Perhaps they should be making friends of local groups such as Zero Heavy rather than outsourcing to the French?

xx
Hans Jagerblitzen
Ice Fire Warriors
#146 - 2012-05-22 14:23:18 UTC
This thread just gets better and better. It is *almost* as entertaining as the actual combat last night :)

I'm glad to see you all give enough of a **** about fighting this war again that its got you worked up. Personally, i could care less about whether DnD came to assist the Amarr, it gave us even MORE targets to destroy. Go ahead and say the minnies are butt hurt all you want, I'm enjoying this tremendously :)

Vordak is just.....special. Cool

CPM0 Chairman / CSM7 Vice Secretary
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#147 - 2012-05-22 14:26:48 UTC
Hans Jagerblitzen wrote:
This thread just gets better and better. It is *almost* as entertaining as the actual combat last night :)

I'm glad to see you all give enough of a **** about fighting this war again that its got you worked up. Personally, i could care less about whether DnD came to assist the Amarr, it gave us even MORE targets to destroy. Go ahead and say the minnies are butt hurt all you want, I'm enjoying this tremendously :)

Vordak is just.....special. Cool



So I'm not allowed to be pissed that our blues tried to **** us? ):

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Cearain
Plus 10 NV
#148 - 2012-05-22 14:29:34 UTC
Hrett wrote:
I also feel I must point out that CCP's stated goal of this station lockout patch was to make FW have consequences and make it more like nullsec.

This thread proves they succeeded.



Yeah.

So far Inferno has made eve flaming in every sense of the word.

Make faction war occupancy pvp instead of pve https://forums.eveonline.com/default.aspx?g=posts&m=53815&#post53815
sleeve84028
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#149 - 2012-05-22 14:54:15 UTC
If EVE is on fire all of the snowflakes will melt.
Lord Azeroth
Perkone
Caldari State
#150 - 2012-05-22 15:05:30 UTC
There were lots of good fights, I am content. May it continue !!! Probably not, but we can hope.
Vordak Kallager
Descendance.
GoonSwarm.
#151 - 2012-05-22 15:09:19 UTC
Lord Azeroth wrote:
There were lots of good fights, I am content. May it continue !!! Probably not, but we can hope.


That is really up to you guys. If you keep bringing it, we'll keep showing up.

Sa souvraya niende misain ye.
Zen Guerrilla
CTRL-Q
Ushra'Khan
#152 - 2012-05-22 15:43:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Zen Guerrilla
Kuehnelt wrote:
LNA are such buffoons that I've twice been tempted to praise Iron Oxide in this thread, which is unsettling.

I approve of this message. Big smile

/edit
On topic,
There were lots of goodfights, i enjoyed it. Lame ending thanks to SOTF but well, we succeeded.

pew pew
Joanna Ramirez
Intaki Militia
#153 - 2012-05-22 16:04:56 UTC
Hrett wrote:
Another reason we didnt cap any offensive systems is that due to a bug, our entire corp was not in GalMil during the most important plexing day of the year. We simply could not run buttons. Hopefully that will be fixed today. ;)


So you screwed up with your alt corp who has high enough standings to never pull npc aggro from plexes?
Aya beoulve
Doomheim
#154 - 2012-05-22 16:14:45 UTC
BATTLE REPORT (from a neutral point of view)

one day i was care-bearing peacefully in my little corner in null, i heard a lot of people talking about FW and that it is on fire these days, as an entrepreneur, i created this alt and went to have a good time watching and of course ninja loot all the wrecks out there.

1st Day :
at first Amarr kept trying to conquer Kourmounen, they kept pushing it almost all day, but when the minmatar started to log on, they managed to stop the amarr and they kep skirmishing in kourm, at this point it looked like the amarr wont be able to get kourm this day and that would be it, but suddenly Lamaa turned to minmatar, when did that happen and how, i really dont know, minmatar just kept the amarr busy in kourm and somehow managed to snatch lamaa, MINMATAR VICKTOR.

2nd Day:
Almost exactly the same as the previous day, huge fights in kourm but without any real danger to flip it to the amarr side, i went ninja looting around for acouple of hours then logged off, when i came back the next day, the minmatar did flip Lapapi, Oyonata, and kurnainen, and kourm was decontested whoa!! MINMATAR VICTOR.

3rd Day:
now it looked like the minmatar had enough and started pushing kamela, although from my observations, it was somewhat evenly matched numbers, 100 Minmatar - 80 Amarr, amarr started to call their friends, first we see a punch of AAA who got bored really fast and went home shortly after without doing anything, and there was that unknown entitiy called psychotic tendencies which was useless most of the time.. after that came the gallente with their 10 gaurdians, and to be honest they only managed to hold the major plexes, the minmatar kept conquering the minors and the mediums, and finally Some useless CVA went to the amarr aid as well. Amarr tried to Smart-bomb the minnies destroyers by placing a typhoon near a gate or near the station, and they successfully smarbombed their to be allies FWeddit so many times.
the minmatar couldn't take kamela that day so we can say AMRR VICTOR? slightly .

Observations:
1- so as you can see in the minmatar days they won the defense and took a couple of systems, while amarr only managed to defend one system without taking anything and with the help of 4 other entities. So overall MINMATAR VICTOR !!!!

2- you might see me a little biased toward the minmatar, it is true for a couple reasons, Amarr was really hostile against me, all of their pilots kept killing my poor velator for no reason just because they could, on the other hand the minmatar pilots never even targeted me when i tagged along their fleets, that shows discipline , GCCing on alone velator is of a huge importance to the amarr in the midst of all this chaos.
also Minmatar was most of the time polite in local while the amarr and gallente kept posting stupid photos and low level smack.


tl:dr Version:
MINMATAR VICTOR - AMARR FAILURE .

ok time to delete this alt, was fun FW dudes.
Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#155 - 2012-05-22 16:24:57 UTC
Simple solution: stop being blue with enemy militia corporations. It makes no sense.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
Lord Azeroth
Perkone
Caldari State
#156 - 2012-05-22 16:28:40 UTC
Aya beoulve wrote:
BATTLE REPORT (from a neutral point of view)

one day i was care-bearing peacefully in my little corner in null, i heard a lot of people talking about FW and that it is on fire these days, as an entrepreneur, i created this alt and went to have a good time watching and of course ninja loot all the wrecks out there.

1st Day :
at first Amarr kept trying to conquer Kourmounen, they kept pushing it almost all day, but when the minmatar started to log on, they managed to stop the amarr and they kep skirmishing in kourm, at this point it looked like the amarr wont be able to get kourm this day and that would be it, but suddenly Lamaa turned to minmatar, when did that happen and how, i really dont know, minmatar just kept the amarr busy in kourm and somehow managed to snatch lamaa, MINMATAR VICKTOR.

2nd Day:
Almost exactly the same as the previous day, huge fights in kourm but without any real danger to flip it to the amarr side, i went ninja looting around for acouple of hours then logged off, when i came back the next day, the minmatar did flip Lapapi, Oyonata, and kurnainen, and kourm was decontested whoa!! MINMATAR VICTOR.

3rd Day:
now it looked like the minmatar had enough and started pushing kamela, although from my observations, it was somewhat evenly matched numbers, 100 Minmatar - 80 Amarr, amarr started to call their friends, first we see a punch of AAA who got bored really fast and went home shortly after without doing anything, and there was that unknown entitiy called psychotic tendencies which was useless most of the time.. after that came the gallente with their 10 gaurdians, and to be honest they only managed to hold the major plexes, the minmatar kept conquering the minors and the mediums, and finally Some useless CVA went to the amarr aid as well. Amarr tried to Smart-bomb the minnies destroyers by placing a typhoon near a gate or near the station, and they successfully smarbombed their to be allies FWeddit so many times.
the minmatar couldn't take kamela that day so we can say AMRR VICTOR? slightly .

Observations:
1- so as you can see in the minmatar days they won the defense and took a couple of systems, while amarr only managed to defend one system without taking anything and with the help of 4 other entities. So overall MINMATAR VICTOR !!!!

2- you might see me a little biased toward the minmatar, it is true for a couple reasons, Amarr was really hostile against me, all of their pilots kept killing my poor velator for no reason just because they could, on the other hand the minmatar pilots never even targeted me when i tagged along their fleets, that shows discipline , GCCing on alone velator is of a huge importance to the amarr in the midst of all this chaos.
also Minmatar was most of the time polite in local while the amarr and gallente kept posting stupid photos and low level smack.


tl:dr Version:
MINMATAR VICTOR - AMARR FAILURE .

ok time to delete this alt, was fun FW dudes.


Worst battle report ever. Wish I had killed that stupid little ship too now :p
Veshta Yoshida
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#157 - 2012-05-22 16:29:38 UTC
If we had been able to cap all plexes using a week old alt in a frig then you can be damn sure there wouldn't have been any Shakorite presence outside of Pator. But alas, to make any headway we need to field large'ish gangs 23/7 just to plex .. more people if opposed .. only to have the lone frig undo everything once we turn our backs.

There is no victory, only the abject failure of CCP Flip-Flop, aka. CCP Soundwave, and his cronies in believing that plexing balance "can wait" when we (all four sides!!!) have been bitching about it for three goddamn years.
unbless83
T.R.I.A.D
Ushra'Khan
#158 - 2012-05-22 16:34:04 UTC
minmatar= we come for your cookies
amarr= RABBLE RABBLE RABBLE

Aussies are the unicorns of eve... rare and horny
Salicaz
Verrimus Caelum
#159 - 2012-05-22 16:47:10 UTC
The minmitar started this thread as a whiny bitchy little post forged through anger that they couldn't enjoy their numerical supremecy to achieve their goals (later the OP changed when his tantrum subsided).

They were surprised that SOTF and WBR share a friendship despite different theatres of war (You shouldn't, it's hardly hidden or new)

"Operation Lets try take Kamela before patch aka win the game before it started" Failed.

A few more skirmishes will be had but you won't be able to muster those numbers again minmitar. Your promises of pushing WBR out of Kamela were tempting to your ranks, but due to your failure (But zomg you brought friends!) less will be inclined to try again.
X Gallentius
Black Eagle1
#160 - 2012-05-22 16:58:04 UTC
I think the only thing people are really complaining about is the blue-on-blue PVP performed by SoTF.

Everything else is just same old, same old.