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CCP Explorer
C C P
C C P Alliance
#161 - 2012-05-22 13:45:03 UTC
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
You understood correctly, Incursion delivered 5 locked skin colors for each race, thus there was a total of 5 x 3 x4 = 60 skin colors.

Now every race has got the same 14 colors, minus some races which won't be getting the darker ones for coherence reasons and minus the Khanid characters as their red skin color has been removed from the new palette.

In most places in the world, moving from 60 unique options to 14 generic ones is deemed LESS and not MORE, but CCP offices in Reykjavik are a funny place...
Each race had 5 colours before and those 5 colours were quite similar (i.e., fairly narrow range for each race). Instead of 5 colours in a narrow range before then each race now has 14 colours in a wider range. That would be more. The issue raised of the red-toned skin colours is being discussed.

Erlendur S. Thorsteinsson | Senior Development Director | EVE Online // CCP Games | @CCP_Explorer
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#162 - 2012-05-22 13:54:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Indahmawar Fazmarai
CCP Explorer wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
You understood correctly, Incursion delivered 5 locked skin colors for each race, thus there was a total of 5 x 3 x4 = 60 skin colors.

Now every race has got the same 14 colors, minus some races which won't be getting the darker ones for coherence reasons and minus the Khanid characters as their red skin color has been removed from the new palette.

In most places in the world, moving from 60 unique options to 14 generic ones is deemed LESS and not MORE, but CCP offices in Reykjavik are a funny place...
Each race had 5 colours before and those 5 colours were quite similar (i.e., fairly narrow range for each race). Instead of 5 colours in a narrow range before then each race now has 14 colours in a wider range. That would be more. The issue raised of the red-toned skin colours is being discussed.


Thanks for discussing it at least, obviously is a minor issue in the grand scheme of things but still is an issue about how players RP ourselves.

Aaand, having 14 options for each race (albeit most were the same) would be more diverse than have the same 14 for everyone... Blink
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#163 - 2012-05-22 14:04:44 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
CCP karkuri wrote:

When everything quiets down, I'm going to post my picture* with all the skin colors before and after... a lot of the colors were very similar

* a picture I made, not picture of me P

And here is the image

What sticks out is that the Khanid color does not seem to be represented in the new skin colors, and we are looking into that.

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
Lost True
Perkone
Caldari State
#164 - 2012-05-22 15:55:29 UTC
A nice change.

Updated some of my characters and they're looks better now.

Or maybe it's just because i've bored with the old ones, will see a few days later Smile

in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?
Lost True
Perkone
Caldari State
#165 - 2012-05-22 15:59:18 UTC
Btw the F1-F4 feature is priceless.
Was able to do a proper picture much faster than before.

More avatar positions are desirable though.

in 2007 i've thought it's a sci-fi simulator, not an "e-sports" game. I'm not a teenager, how would i like it much?
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#166 - 2012-05-22 19:54:11 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
CCP Explorer wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
You understood correctly, Incursion delivered 5 locked skin colors for each race, thus there was a total of 5 x 3 x4 = 60 skin colors.

Now every race has got the same 14 colors, minus some races which won't be getting the darker ones for coherence reasons and minus the Khanid characters as their red skin color has been removed from the new palette.

In most places in the world, moving from 60 unique options to 14 generic ones is deemed LESS and not MORE, but CCP offices in Reykjavik are a funny place...
Each race had 5 colours before and those 5 colours were quite similar (i.e., fairly narrow range for each race). Instead of 5 colours in a narrow range before then each race now has 14 colours in a wider range. That would be more. The issue raised of the red-toned skin colours is being discussed.


Thanks for discussing it at least, obviously is a minor issue in the grand scheme of things but still is an issue about how players RP ourselves.

Aaand, having 14 options for each race (albeit most were the same) would be more diverse than have the same 14 for everyone... Blink

When everything quiets down, I'm going to post my picture* with all the skin colors before and after... a lot of the colors were very similar

* a picture I made, not picture of me P


I already suspected that many races shared color options, but all in all, after the change a race has lost his whole color range, which is a funny way to deal with "not enough diversity".... I still think that each race getting a specific set of colors would be better than have everyone use the same small palette. Maybe allow each race to get 3 color options for each skin type (I- VI), picked from van Luschan's color palette.FAI, Khanid could use the redder shades belonging to type IV and V plus three shades out of types I, II and II, whereas Brutors would ge the browner shades in type IV-V bu notshae form type II, and Gallente would get the oliver shades in skin types IV-V; and then Amarr would not get type VI skins, neither Achura or the other Asian races; all in all, that would be 36 skintypes (36 textures) and yet the customizer could be cut down to 15 choices per race.

Nobody would gonna miss Type VI, color #36 Amarrian.

BTW, talking about similar colors... the new skintypes #2 and #6 are quite similar, at least rendered on the customizer:

http://i50.tinypic.com/2j8i6d.jpg
Aliera Vorkosigan
Ruby Dynasty
#167 - 2012-05-23 09:16:23 UTC
Lost True wrote:
More avatar positions are desirable though.


Much like hair styles and lighting schemes, there are a couple of very popular poses which tend to be on the conventional side.

I found it fun to experiment with the new colors available, but ended up barely changing my characters since I have grown fond of their looks in my short time here.
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#168 - 2012-05-23 10:33:36 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
Ok... I'm an idiot... I meant to quote myself in a post above, but instead edited the post.Oops

I mapped out all the skin colors before and after the skin color change, and from it you can see that a lot of the colors are pretty much the same.

You can see that map/image here

What sticks out is that the Khanid color does not seem to be represented in the new skin colors, and we are looking into that.

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#169 - 2012-05-23 10:41:54 UTC
They are so much worse now, they look like cartoons. I had a small child that was able to pick out that there's something not right with your colors, in moments.
Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#170 - 2012-05-23 10:46:03 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
Malice Redeemer wrote:
I'm not sure whats up with you guys, but I just won't be changing any of mine, as sort of a protest to you people not being able to add anything to this game without taking away from what already there this patch. guess it doesn't matter much as I 'm just going to let my account lapse over the inventory changes if they can't get them right before they launch them. Tell the devs that did the missile effects good job.


Well, giving "Two" with one hand and taking away "Three" with the other is becoming an habit for CCP... and sooner or later they will have it.
I'm sorry that you guys feel this way, I promise that we are not out to get you.

Malice, have you told the inventory guys what's your problem with the inventory system in a constructive way? It does not help us very much when people just say "ARGH, I don't like it!".
If you have not, try posting a to the point post about your issues in the feedback thread.
(and just a friendly reminder to everyone that when you post negative feedback, insulting the devs is not the right way to get attention... just to be clear, I'm not saying you two were in this thread, just a general reminder to everyoneP).
I think people are going to get used to the new inventory system pretty fast, and I hope you will give it a chance Smile

Anyways, I'll tell my art friends good job on the missiles Smile


Yes, repeatedly, on the sisi forums we where basically ignored / paid lip service,

I love you now btw, I just wish I liked the skin tone changes more.
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#171 - 2012-05-23 12:56:04 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Ok... I'm an idiot... I meant to quote myself in a post above, but instead edited the post.Oops

I mapped out all the skin colors before and after the skin color change, and from it you can see that a lot of the colors are pretty much the same.

You can see that map/image here

What sticks out is that the Khanid color does not seem to be represented in the new skin colors, and we are looking into that.


Many thanks, CCP Karkur and CCP Explorer.

That image really shows that the old colors where too similar to each other, which was wrong, but the new system has swinged completely to the opposite: the new colors are now more diverse from each other, but all in all there's less choices to pick from.
vanillacherry
VaCh Industries
#172 - 2012-05-23 14:59:14 UTC  |  Edited by: vanillacherry
CCP karkur wrote:
Ok... I'm an idiot... I meant to quote myself in a post above, but instead edited the post.Oops

I mapped out all the skin colors before and after the skin color change, and from it you can see that a lot of the colors are pretty much the same.

You can see that map/image here

What sticks out is that the Khanid color does not seem to be represented in the new skin colors, and we are looking into that.

I noticed that my old Vherokior skin color does not have any similar color in the new one when I was resculpting. I also had a massive problem after I checked them out ingame. I checked a few of the new skin types out, decided I preferred my old one, undid the changes, took this this portrait, but now my portrait is of a chocolate covered asian. Not terribly pleased with that to be honest I did file a petition and bugreport #136247. Hope this can be fixed so I can see how my other characters look with the new skintypes without having to fear them being covered in chocolate or bleached.

edit: Pretty sure I had the leftmost color from the old Vherokior colors.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#173 - 2012-05-23 15:03:20 UTC
is it me or do we now look much older? Karkur's pics even look older.

My portrait looks like normal but when I go ingame and actually look at my face, it appears much older. Could be me though as I rarely look at my face in game and may just not have noticed. But the portrait does look different then my toon though
Indahmawar Fazmarai
#174 - 2012-05-23 19:44:35 UTC
vanillacherry wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
Ok... I'm an idiot... I meant to quote myself in a post above, but instead edited the post.Oops

I mapped out all the skin colors before and after the skin color change, and from it you can see that a lot of the colors are pretty much the same.

You can see that map/image here

What sticks out is that the Khanid color does not seem to be represented in the new skin colors, and we are looking into that.

I noticed that my old Vherokior skin color does not have any similar color in the new one when I was resculpting. I also had a massive problem after I checked them out ingame. I checked a few of the new skin types out, decided I preferred my old one, undid the changes, took this this portrait, but now my portrait is of a chocolate covered asian. Not terribly pleased with that to be honest I did file a petition and bugreport #136247. Hope this can be fixed so I can see how my other characters look with the new skintypes without having to fear them being covered in chocolate or bleached.

edit: Pretty sure I had the leftmost color from the old Vherokior colors.


DOH! Shocked

You just incarnated my worst nightmare with the new skintypes, editing some of my girls and not just LOSE her original color, but have it shifted to something ludicrous.

Best wishes and hope they'll get to you soon. Smile
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#175 - 2012-05-23 19:48:44 UTC
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
is it me or do we now look much older? Karkur's pics even look older.

My portrait looks like normal but when I go ingame and actually look at my face, it appears much older. Could be me though as I rarely look at my face in game and may just not have noticed. But the portrait does look different then my toon though

OMG, you never tell a lady that she looks old!EvilP

I would find it very strange if my portrait had changed since it was rendered April 24th.

Is it also different from your character when you are go into character recustomization? The captains quarters use different shaders, so the characters are maybe not exactly the same, but should be very close.

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
CCP karkur
C C P
C C P Alliance
#176 - 2012-05-23 19:54:11 UTC  |  Edited by: CCP karkur
Indahmawar Fazmarai wrote:
vanillacherry wrote:
CCP karkur wrote:
Ok... I'm an idiot... I meant to quote myself in a post above, but instead edited the post.Oops

I mapped out all the skin colors before and after the skin color change, and from it you can see that a lot of the colors are pretty much the same.

You can see that map/image here

What sticks out is that the Khanid color does not seem to be represented in the new skin colors, and we are looking into that.

I noticed that my old Vherokior skin color does not have any similar color in the new one when I was resculpting. I also had a massive problem after I checked them out ingame. I checked a few of the new skin types out, decided I preferred my old one, undid the changes, took this this portrait, but now my portrait is of a chocolate covered asian. Not terribly pleased with that to be honest I did file a petition and bugreport #136247. Hope this can be fixed so I can see how my other characters look with the new skintypes without having to fear them being covered in chocolate or bleached.

edit: Pretty sure I had the leftmost color from the old Vherokior colors.


DOH! Shocked

You just incarnated my worst nightmare with the new skintypes, editing some of my girls and not just LOSE her original color, but have it shifted to something ludicrous.

Best wishes and hope they'll get to you soon. Smile
I have been looking into the issue today, and was going to ask you to please confirm that you used the history slider... because as far as I can tell it's misbehaving when clicking fast through items, but I think I have a fix for it.
(I think I can save your characters' skin if you guys really really want it back, but if you don't care either way we'll give you a new resculpt so you can pick the color again)

CCP karkur | Programmer | Team Five 0 | @CCP_karkur
vanillacherry
VaCh Industries
#177 - 2012-05-23 20:06:35 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
I have been looking into the issue today, and was going to ask you to please confirm that you used the history slider... because as far as I can tell it's misbehaving when clicking fast through items, but I think I have a fix for it.
(I think I can save your characters' skin if you guys really really want it back, but if you don't care either way we'll give you a new resculpt so you can pick the color again)

I did use the history bar, but I did not click through things fast. I always waited for it to finish loading before I changed something again. The linked picture is what my screen displayed when I took the portrait, however when I finished the resculpt process I was covered in chocolate.Shocked I would very much-so like to have my old skin back, and I really hope you fix this problem so that I can check out the new skin colors on my other characters.
Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#178 - 2012-05-23 20:30:59 UTC
CCP karkur wrote:
Lyron-Baktos wrote:
is it me or do we now look much older? Karkur's pics even look older.

My portrait looks like normal but when I go ingame and actually look at my face, it appears much older. Could be me though as I rarely look at my face in game and may just not have noticed. But the portrait does look different then my toon though

OMG, you never tell a lady that she looks old!EvilP

I would find it very strange if my portrait had changed since it was rendered April 24th.

Is it also different from your character when you are go into character recustomization? The captains quarters use different shaders, so the characters are maybe not exactly the same, but should be very close.


I was looking at your link you posted but I think I'm reading it wrong
Aliera Vorkosigan
Ruby Dynasty
#179 - 2012-05-25 03:56:23 UTC
Thank you for the link CCP karkur! I think the Gallente race benefited from the new system since their initial colors were already varied and are represented with the new scheme. The races like the Sebiestors have lost a bit of their subtlety in exchange for a bigger selection. With 6 colors not assigned to presets I wonder why the Sebiestors had to share color schemes with Amarr and Intaki. Maybe There should have been a color that was more middle Intaki allotted to C1 which looks close to C4. I also understand people being a little bit disappointed in the lack of redder skin tones. The system and concept behind it all are great though, and I hope that we will see more color options in the future.

I didn't realize that the hair color options were increased too. One of the reasons (main reason was the bloodline history and description) why I made my main Gallerian, and alt a Sebiestor was for the wide variety of hair colors since I like to switch it up with my avatars. I found it sad that some of the other bloodlines couldn't have different color hair tips. Now we can all have the option!
Devi Phoolan Sharvas
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#180 - 2012-05-25 21:55:25 UTC  |  Edited by: Devi Phoolan Sharvas
CCP karkur wrote:
I have been looking into the issue today, and was going to ask you to please confirm that you used the history slider... because as far as I can tell it's misbehaving when clicking fast through items, but I think I have a fix for it.
(I think I can save your characters' skin if you guys really really want it back, but if you don't care either way we'll give you a new resculpt so you can pick the color again)

I have a similar problem to vanillacherry. I also wanted to keep my old skin color and undid the history (slowly), then confirmed. This is my character before resculpting:

http://img193.imageshack.us/img193/3833/devi1x.jpg

This is after:

http://img21.imageshack.us/img21/8397/devi3s.jpg

Additionally, my portraits are bugged and sometimes show my char with the old skintone and sometimes bleached.

After petitioning I got flagged for resculpting again, but I would indeed really, really like to go back to my old skin tone or at least a really similar one. As it stands, I can only choose between snow white, sickly yellow and chocolate brown, my char can't be a hot, tanned Indian warrior-woman anymore and that was a crucial part of my EVE experience :,(