EVE General Discussion

Usually it's the min-maxers from other games that have a hard time in EVE since they want the very best equipment at all times and they want it now.

They feel like the game has no purpose without the top of the line equipment on their ships. Thus, they go into that cycle where they wait for skills to finish training instead of playing the game.

They start low, with looking for making a frig with T2 equip and then they want a cruiser with full T2 equipment and so on, thus entering a vicious circle.

I've had about 2 years where I did just fine with T1 turrets.

…and here's the real kicker: as a corollary to this decision not to go for that last level, you can instead go for five completely different skills and get them up to a serviceable level with the same expenditure of time/SP. As Pinstar goes on to say: you can do anything, but you can't do everything — that specialisation comes at a very high cost in terms of what a character has chosen not to train, and the marginal benefit he gets from the specialisation is commonly vastly smaller than the benefits he could have gotten from the alternatives. The only difference is whether or not he thinks those other benefits are interesting to begin with (in which case foregoing them might not really cost him anything) or whether he takes the long view (he'll get to them eventually anyway).

You do realise that total SP isn't worth anything right? The only “advantage” an older player has is more total SP and the only effect more total SP has is to make your clone more expensive. Advantage indeed.

The way the EVE skill system is set up, the whole notion of “catching up” or, conversely, having advantages simply does not apply because it is impossible not to catch up. EVE effectively has a level cap of 5, and everyone can and will reach it within short order. For any given task, there is a limited number of skills that are of any value whatsoever, and once you have trained them to the same level as the older player, you are now equally matched. It doesn't matter if he has 10M SP or 100M — if only 1M of those skillpoints are of any use for the ship or activity he's engage in, then a new player will be able to beat him in less than a month from character creation. I have 90M SP. A new character can be better than me in, oh, about two weeks.

Any benefit an older player has can be had by a new player or can simply be overcome by picking a completely different benefit that the older player has chosen not to make use of.

Eve has no content. Without the training times this would become obvious to quickly and people would leave.

Fail topic from a fail player with fail friends.

Edit: Oh yeah, they already adjusted the curve for new players when they removed learning skills...

Some people just don't get EVE so they feel the need to attack anyone else who is comfortable with the game as it is. If it makes you feel better go for it. you're only convincing yourself.

As a new player myself, I understand the OP's plight. While I love EVE, it is discouraging sometimes. My friend has played for years, and while he's admitted to me that I already know the game pretty well, I will never be on an equal playing field with him because of the SP difference. That doesn't mean that eventually I can't go toe to toe with him in a specified ship, but it does mean that he will ALWAYS be "X" steps ahead of me as a rounded player.

Also, a message to the OP....don't bother complaining on an EVE board about it. While some are genuine in their defending of the current SP method...even I appreciate the fact that I don't have to grind my butt off not really playing the game the way I would like until I reach a certain lvl....there are many older players with the elitest mentality of "This is my game and you should never be as good as me", which is sad really because some of them don't know jack. I've been playing for 2 months now and have already taught players of 3+ years several things.

Bottom line is, you're best bet is to do some reading online or some carebear mission running. Or get into a Null-Sec noobie friendly corp.....even goon swarm was smart enough to figure out that 100 noobies with minimal SP flying frigates with some direction from seasoned players can be a lot more advantageous than than a couple high sp players in expensive ships...and therefore more cost effective as well....

…and if anyone says anything along the lines of “don't do X before you have Y”, punch them in the mouth, pod them repeatedly, and report them for griefing. Korsiri's suggestion is what should be repeated every 10 seconds in the newbie chats, rather than the opposite as is often the case.

Yes well… that would be cheating! So there!

The only thing I've told my the new players I'm helping to do is learn to use d-scan before you head into low sec or wormholes and pointed them at some online resources and given a few a quick class in putting it to use to keep themselves safe.

As far as skills go I suggest they use the Core and Defence certificates as a rough guideline to get an idea where they might start training a few useful skills and mix those in with other things that they're interested in training up.

I started with over 50M SP and 5 billion ISK you should lrn2use the character creator nooblet


Wait no I started with <100k SP and an Ibis, also let me tell you about having to train basic learning skills to 5 before you can train the advanced

This is where it became obvious you're just trolling.