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The Fukuzawa
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-05-22 08:13:07 UTC
Hello

I'm back from a long break from eve! I decided to start a new character and I would like to know which are the better/popular battleships for running missions and why. I'm having trouble putting together an overall training plan so Im going to work towards a mission boat first.

Thanks for any help
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-05-22 08:14:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Tor Gungnir
Raven->Golem is always a solid choice due to missiles.

Boring if you ask me, I prefer turrets, but solid.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-05-22 08:49:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Daniel Plain
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Raven->Golem is always a solid choice due to missiles.

Boring if you ask me, I prefer turrets, but solid.

god no. flying a golem is like riding a bike with flat tires, no saddle and a midget clown sitting on your back.

the best overall mission boat is the machariel, closely followed by the vargur. if you are ok with running against sansha and blood raiders (amarr space), the nightmare or paladin are the way to go.
there is also the tengu which shines at blitzing but currently it looks like it will get nerfed soon so i cannot advise it right now until the nature of the nerf is revealed.

I should buy an Ishtar.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#4 - 2012-05-22 08:57:06 UTC
That's an... interesting analogy. Care to elaborate?

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Alara IonStorm
#5 - 2012-05-22 09:01:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
The Raven hits all the good sweet spots when talking T1 Ships.

Pro's

* Selectable Damage (Unlike Lasers / Hybrids)
* Long Range (Unlike Autocannons)
* Not affected by Tracking Computers
* Low Skill Training (Unlike the T2 Sentry Dominix and T2 Guns)
* Ridiculously Long Range (Worth a second mention, you can hit anything in lock range.)
* Easy to use (So easy)
* Missiles are very accurate (Presision for Cruisers or Rigors which lets you hit Cruisers with standards. Fury with Rigor and Painter on Battleships)
* CNR is not bad either. SNI is good for the lazy

Cons

* Middle of the road DPS
* Weapons have little PvP cross over
* Counting Missile Launches do to flight time
* Poor Scan Res and Speed (Range makes up for speed except for slow boating to gates.)

I hear good things about the Sentry Domi if you want to go the training. Maelstrom is an absolute pain to use with its speed / range combo but the Mach Vargur are great if you can front the ISK / Training. Lasers are good but trap you to EM Damage.
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#6 - 2012-05-22 09:20:57 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
That's an... interesting analogy. Care to elaborate?


you have similar paper dps as mach or nightmare but in contrast to both of them, you have to:
- train T2 torps (which are only ever used on a golem and on stealth bombers)
- always fight inside torp range (was it 50km?)
- juggle target painters
- count volleys
- kill frigates with drones only

all these disadvantages come together to effect the feeling of severe rectal penetration that very few people would enjoy.

I should buy an Ishtar.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#7 - 2012-05-22 09:48:40 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
That's an... interesting analogy. Care to elaborate?


you have similar paper dps as mach or nightmare but in contrast to both of them, you have to:
- train T2 torps (which are only ever used on a golem and on stealth bombers)
- always fight inside torp range (was it 50km?)
- juggle target painters
- count volleys
- kill frigates with drones only

all these disadvantages come together to effect the feeling of severe rectal penetration that very few people would enjoy.


You also have to train Marauders

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Sup B1tches
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-05-22 10:07:29 UTC
Alara IonStorm
#9 - 2012-05-22 10:10:55 UTC
Sup B1tches wrote:
This is a Raven doing L4's

This is a Machariel after it has killed all the rats (in 5 minutes)

This is an Apoc with scorch

This is a good diagram of a Vargur's tracking bonus

Here is a Maelstrom unleashing it's T2 800's against a rat

Here we have a Hyperion running down a rat or two, blasters bared and ready

I hope this helps in your search for a good battleship to fly!

I am gonna like this post because you seem to put a lot of time into it for Mission Battleship thread.

Also because dogs are fun.
Darius Brinn
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-05-22 10:41:17 UTC
The new drone damage modules introduced today will surely generate some interesting fittings for the T2 Sentry Domi, an already wonderful mission boat.

Now, it's time to devise from loadouts. Sentry damage rigs + drone damage mods = ONOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM

Also, time for some Ishkur fun and to explore some interesting possibilities with the extra Lowslot it got in the last patch.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#11 - 2012-05-22 11:06:19 UTC
Darius Brinn wrote:
The new drone damage modules introduced today will surely generate some interesting fittings for the T2 Sentry Rattlesnake, an already wonderful mission boat.

Now, it's time to devise from loadouts. Sentry damage rigs + drone damage mods = ONOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOMNOM

Also, time for some Ishkur fun and to explore some interesting possibilities with the extra Lowslot it got in the last patch.


FYP, look at those sweet, free lows.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-05-22 11:56:02 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Raven->Golem is always a solid choice due to missiles.

Boring if you ask me, I prefer turrets, but solid.

god no. flying a golem is like riding a bike with flat tires, no saddle and a midget clown sitting on your back.

the best overall mission boat is the machariel, closely followed by the vargur. if you are ok with running against sansha and blood raiders (amarr space), the nightmare or paladin are the way to go.
there is also the tengu which shines at blitzing but currently it looks like it will get nerfed soon so i cannot advise it right now until the nature of the nerf is revealed.



Actually this Machariel is an absolute mission/anom weapon. You brutalise everything from cruiser to BS and leave your drones take care of frigs, some times you have to wait your drones to finish the pesky things.

Extreme powerful stuff, needs very strong skills and a more or less expensive fit, but you'll never look back.

brb
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2012-05-22 11:56:50 UTC
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Raven->Golem is always a solid choice due to missiles.

Boring if you ask me, I prefer turrets, but solid.

god no. flying a golem is like riding a bike with flat tires, no saddle and a midget clown sitting on your back.

the best overall mission boat is the machariel, closely followed by the vargur. if you are ok with running against sansha and blood raiders (amarr space), the nightmare or paladin are the way to go.
there is also the tengu which shines at blitzing but currently it looks like it will get nerfed soon so i cannot advise it right now until the nature of the nerf is revealed.



Actually this Machariel is an absolute mission/anom weapon. You brutalise everything from cruiser to BS and leave your drones take care of frigs, some times you have to wait your drones to finish the pesky things.

Extreme powerful stuff, needs very strong skills and a more or less expensive fit, but you'll never look back.


Shame it is so friggin expensive. I love the Mach. I love all about it except the pricetag. I'd totally make it my step up from my Hurricane if I could afford it.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Boomhaur
#14 - 2012-05-22 12:18:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Boomhaur
Sup B1tches wrote:
This is a Raven doing L4's

This is a Machariel after it has killed all the rats (in 5 minutes)

This is an Apoc with scorch

This is a good diagram of a Vargur's tracking bonus

Here is a Maelstrom unleashing it's T2 800's against a rat

Here we have a Hyperion running down a rat or two, blasters bared and ready

I hope this helps in your search for a good battleship to fly!


I don't care what they say you have just WON Eve in my eyes that was awesome. Thanks for a good laugh it was much needed.

And what kind of dog is the Machariel one?


Now back on topic, pretty much what everyone else is saying is spot on the Machariel is king of lv4 PVE as of right now. There are some others that are not far behind it. If you want my opinion train for the Domi which is a good and cheap drone boat which is good at missions. It isn't the best one out there but it definately good bang for the buck, use that as a stepping stone till you skill up good enough to fly the Machariel properly. You will still be able to use your drone/bs/support turrent skills will transition well over to the Mach well you won't lose much in terms of SP doing that.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-05-22 12:28:34 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Lin-Young Borovskova wrote:
Daniel Plain wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Raven->Golem is always a solid choice due to missiles.

Boring if you ask me, I prefer turrets, but solid.

god no. flying a golem is like riding a bike with flat tires, no saddle and a midget clown sitting on your back.

the best overall mission boat is the machariel, closely followed by the vargur. if you are ok with running against sansha and blood raiders (amarr space), the nightmare or paladin are the way to go.
there is also the tengu which shines at blitzing but currently it looks like it will get nerfed soon so i cannot advise it right now until the nature of the nerf is revealed.



Actually this Machariel is an absolute mission/anom weapon. You brutalise everything from cruiser to BS and leave your drones take care of frigs, some times you have to wait your drones to finish the pesky things.

Extreme powerful stuff, needs very strong skills and a more or less expensive fit, but you'll never look back.


Shame it is so friggin expensive. I love the Mach. I love all about it except the pricetag. I'd totally make it my step up from my Hurricane if I could afford it.



It's cheaper than Vindi and it has very good points versus the previous.

The first one being you can happily give it a pounding from ranges he will ever be able to catch, however if it manages to get on top of you, you're dead.
Extreme Vindi fits can push over 2.5k dps but Machariel never, however Machariel can dish a more than interesting dps (over 1K) at distances not a single blaster will ever scratch your paint, plus you have the agility, top speed (2k it's not hard to hit with this ship) and ability to gtfo like pimp cruiser.

Machariel is not that expensive if you consider how fast you can run through rats of all sizes, in fact the real serious business is it's fit to achieve this, just like every other excellent ship (vindi/Tengu for reference but there are a lot more).

You'll get one some time, just keep working for it ;)

brb
stoicfaux
#16 - 2012-05-22 12:29:49 UTC
Golem is Meh. I don't recommend it.
Vargur is excellent. Easy to tank, variable ammo, kills frigates at range.
Mach with AB is excellent-er. Speed, agility, high DPS, large buffer.
Mach with MWD is excellent-est. Great for blitzing.
Nightmare is spiffy against EM weak NPCs. Shield tanked and can fit tachyons.
CNR is a very good all around workhorse. Long range, variable ammo. Slap 3x Rigors and a TP on it.
Kronos has gotten reviews since the hybrid buff. High optimal + hybrid buffs.
Tengu is also very good against non-em weak NPCs. (Yes, it's not a battleship, but It has battleship level firepower on a cruiser hull.) Tengu has easy tank, it's fast, 110km damage projection, very versatile, etc..

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Studley Goodfk
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-05-22 12:29:50 UTC
Boomhaur wrote:


And what kind of dog is the Machariel one?



A Mongrel, obiously :)
Goran Konjich
Krompany
#18 - 2012-05-22 12:35:33 UTC
to the OP exclusively.

Dominix [Navy Dominix]

No real reason to look any further.

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.
Boomhaur
#19 - 2012-05-22 13:40:22 UTC
Studley Goodfk wrote:
Boomhaur wrote:


And what kind of dog is the Machariel one?



A Mongrel, obiously :)


Tried typing that into google and I seem to have gotten this http://greenbanana.files.wordpress.com/2007/05/windowslivewriterprformongrels-ae5aimage07.png somehow I think that's a T2 Handheld Fighter Drone and not a Machariel.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.
Jta Grl
2 Pingeons Incorporated
#20 - 2012-05-22 18:14:04 UTC  |  Edited by: Jta Grl
I will risk being repetitive and target to critics but the rail Vindicator is a very good missioning ship. After the Hybrid buff railguns does a considerable amount of damage. Its not a ship you should disconsider as an option.

A humble pilot pimpfit (a.k.a. 4 Fed Navy Magstabs) can do 1050 DPS with Javelin ammo at 18+30 range.
Target is too far? Switch to Spike and you can still hit 603 DPS at the impressive 130+30km range (sensor boosting required for targeting).
Oh, so they say that rail tracking is bad? The ship has bonus for tracking.
The target is too close? The ship has bonus for webs.
Plus, if you feel the need you can fit 125m3 of your favorite drone flavours and add it to the previsously referred DPS.

Now, sorry for letting this all out like this. It's just that I can see some deliberate injustice being brought upon this hull.
Market especulation? Maybe. Either way It's an awesome ship and doesn't deserves the lack of consideration it's getting from this forum thread. Check the ship attributes, try some EFT. You will see what I'm talking about.
I've done L4 missions in this ship for about half a year (since the hybrid buff) and don't regret a single ISK I spent on its fit. Fighting mostly Serpentis the only mission I don't do in it is The Blockade, because of the heavy dampening.
Thats about it. Now eat all your vegetables.
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