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Nocxium CRASH imminent, NOCX 300 isk pu
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lafforet
Amarr Royal Trust Bank
#21 - 2012-05-03 10:16:34 UTC
True is that there is no precise and comprehensive up-to-date info about nocx. According to a bit old data, when drone poo is removed, nearly 2/3 of nocx inflow is made from loot and a bit more than 1/3 come from mining. Therefore, it obviously is not all about mining. I cannot find source of the 97m units/day, but if I remember correctly, it was not data about nocx made from mining, but from refining.
Early post-escalation data showed that incursions are nerfed significantly. Many incursion runners are returning to missioning. Now lets guess, will that decrease or increase inflow of nocx?
Tauranon
Weeesearch
CAStabouts
#22 - 2012-05-03 11:57:30 UTC
corestwo wrote:


So yeah, nuff said. Even his "valid" numbers are questionable at best. ;) Maybe he corrected for it somehow, maybe not, but...


I agree, can't credit his consumption figures at all.

If one presumes 75% of hull trades are manufacturer to the user (and the remaining 25% are traded items), then typical daily build volumes of megathrons, ravens, drakes and myrmidons are enough to account for his estimate alone. Not even bothering with the entire rest of the manufactured database.
Claire Voyant
#23 - 2012-05-03 12:52:33 UTC  |  Edited by: Claire Voyant
malaire wrote:
Liberty Eternal wrote:
Why have goons started posting so much in MD lately? Just asking.

They just found Jita, and are now interested about what that really is about? Roll

Yeah, this Jita thing is HUGE! And apparently non-flammable, who knew?
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#24 - 2012-05-03 14:32:57 UTC  |  Edited by: corestwo
Tauranon wrote:
corestwo wrote:


So yeah, nuff said. Even his "valid" numbers are questionable at best. ;) Maybe he corrected for it somehow, maybe not, but...


I agree, can't credit his consumption figures at all.

If one presumes 75% of hull trades are manufacturer to the user (and the remaining 25% are traded items), then typical daily build volumes of megathrons, ravens, drakes and myrmidons are enough to account for his estimate alone. Not even bothering with the entire rest of the manufactured database.


I'd be curious to know where you got "daily build values" for those particular hulls. I've been working to come up with more accurate numbers than even the ungimmicked numbers Yuki used but there are some holes...

lafforet wrote:
True is that there is no precise and comprehensive up-to-date info about nocx. According to a bit old data, when drone poo is removed, nearly 2/3 of nocx inflow is made from loot and a bit more than 1/3 come from mining. Therefore, it obviously is not all about mining. I cannot find source of the 97m units/day, but if I remember correctly, it was not data about nocx made from mining, but from refining.
Early post-escalation data showed that incursions are nerfed significantly. Many incursion runners are returning to missioning. Now lets guess, will that decrease or increase inflow of nocx?


The data you're thinking of was indeed refining, and it included all sources - mining, refined modules, and drone poo. This was older data, prior to the drone poo nerf, and did not give specifics about how much of each kind of source generated each mineral.

The data Yuki is referencing for mining is from the same source, but is more recent. I've looked at the same numbers and can confirm that he's actually more or less accurate on his mining stats.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Nostradamouse Riraille
S.M.U.G.G.L.E.
#25 - 2012-05-03 17:54:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Nostradamouse Riraille
corestwo wrote:
You read the thread title, dumped, and then read the rest of it?

I, uh...

Roll



My mama used to tell me I'm special...



Nah seriously, I jumped as soon as I saw the thread, which was even before you replied. I realised the fake after, when you posted.

But eh, still sold the damn stuff for 930 isk/unit in Dodixie in less than 10 minutes, so... no real lost. Plus, that impromptu stop in dodixie made me buy a cheap exequror that I sold for double the price in Amarr. (go figure, apparently 9 million isks is an OK price for exequrors in Amarr)
qDoctor Strangelove
Doomheim
#26 - 2012-05-03 19:30:55 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Tauranon wrote:
corestwo wrote:


So yeah, nuff said. Even his "valid" numbers are questionable at best. ;) Maybe he corrected for it somehow, maybe not, but...


I agree, can't credit his consumption figures at all.

If one presumes 75% of hull trades are manufacturer to the user (and the remaining 25% are traded items), then typical daily build volumes of megathrons, ravens, drakes and myrmidons are enough to account for his estimate alone. Not even bothering with the entire rest of the manufactured database.


I'd be curious to know where you got "daily build values" for those particular hulls. I've been working to come up with more accurate numbers than even the ungimmicked numbers Yuki used but there are some holes...

lafforet wrote:
True is that there is no precise and comprehensive up-to-date info about nocx. According to a bit old data, when drone poo is removed, nearly 2/3 of nocx inflow is made from loot and a bit more than 1/3 come from mining. Therefore, it obviously is not all about mining. I cannot find source of the 97m units/day, but if I remember correctly, it was not data about nocx made from mining, but from refining.
Early post-escalation data showed that incursions are nerfed significantly. Many incursion runners are returning to missioning. Now lets guess, will that decrease or increase inflow of nocx?


The data you're thinking of was indeed refining, and it included all sources - mining, refined modules, and drone poo. This was older data, prior to the drone poo nerf, and did not give specifics about how much of each kind of source generated each mineral.

The data Yuki is referencing for mining is from the same source, but is more recent. I've looked at the same numbers and can confirm that he's actually more or less accurate on his mining stats.


Why didn't you just play along so we could get some cheap Nocx from the traders Darwin forgot?
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#27 - 2012-05-03 19:44:57 UTC
Because I was out of cash, among other reasons.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Debiru
Universal Fleet Operations
#28 - 2012-05-03 20:00:48 UTC
Never trust Goons.


Trust marketeers claiming price drops/spikes even less.


My take on this thread.


o7 Corestwo.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#29 - 2012-05-03 21:17:14 UTC
Debiru wrote:
Never trust Goons.


Trust marketeers claiming price drops/spikes even less.


My take on this thread.


o7 Corestwo.


Weaselior & I were proclaiming loudly for quite awhile a few weeks ago that morphite was going to crash and burn. No one trusted us then, either. Blink

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
Eddie Laydon
Laydon Industries
#30 - 2012-05-03 23:52:58 UTC
Some of you seem to think we are all morons who mindlessly follow random predictions. Idk about other people, but whenever I see something like this the first thing I do is look at who posted it. If its some random nobody I just ignore it, otherwise I do my own research.


I assume many of the traders looked at this thread, loled, wondered for a while if the OP was a r-tard and then just moved on.
Debiru
Universal Fleet Operations
#31 - 2012-05-04 05:16:02 UTC
Eddie Laydon wrote:
Idk about other people, but whenever I see something like this the first thing I do is look at who posted it. If its some random nobody I just ignore it, otherwise I do my own research.

Mind. Blown.



In all seriousness though, it's good that most people aren't like that. Otherwise there wouldn't be as much easy ISK available.
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
#32 - 2012-05-04 08:19:58 UTC
Its gonna crash like every other minerals. There are to many of them, to many are mining.
- Its the mining hype of the decade atm.

Oo
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#33 - 2012-05-04 16:04:31 UTC
It's going to take quite some time before mining volume makes up for lost drone poo. Hulkageddon will help keep mining on the down-low for a while as well. I don't anticipate any significant drops in mineral price for a while.

As we all know, I am probably one of the poorest people who posts on here, so you don't need to bother calling me a manipulator. Let's not be ridiculous.
corestwo
Goonfleet Investment Banking
#34 - 2012-05-04 16:06:52 UTC
Slavemaster wrote:
Its gonna crash like every other minerals. There are to many of them, to many are mining.
- Its the mining hype of the decade atm.

Minerals are as undersupplied from mining as your sentence is with the letter O.

This post was crafted by a member of the GoonSwarm Federation Economic Cabal, the foremost authority on Eve: Online economics and gameplay.

fofofo
OllieNorth
Recidivists Incorporated
#35 - 2012-05-04 16:12:09 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Slavemaster wrote:
Its gonna crash like every other minerals. There are to many of them, to many are mining.
- Its the mining hype of the decade atm.

Minerals are as undersupplied from mining as your sentence is with the letter O.


Best goon post ever, actually.
Tanya Powers
Doomheim
#36 - 2012-05-04 18:46:12 UTC
Yes please sell you nocxium NAO Lol
george harries
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#37 - 2012-05-04 19:01:44 UTC
corestwo wrote:
Slavemaster wrote:
Its gonna crash like every other minerals. There are to many of them, to many are mining.
- Its the mining hype of the decade atm.

Minerals are as undersupplied from mining as your sentence is with the letter O.





Damn, made me 'like' a post and a Goon one at that Sad......but brilliant post....really
Slavemaster
ICC - Information Control Corporation
#38 - 2012-05-05 03:59:37 UTC  |  Edited by: Slavemaster
corestwo wrote:
Slavemaster wrote:
Its gonna crash like every other minerals. There are to many of them, to many are mining.
- Its the mining hype of the decade atm.

Minerals are as undersupplied from mining as your sentence is with the letter O.



There might be truth in this. Oo
- TBH. Its more like I am bit pissed that I jumped of the mineral wagon to fast, and lost out. I still got some isk, but still.

The faster it crash the better.

Oo
Volkan Alkaid
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#39 - 2012-05-22 12:00:49 UTC
Maybe a bit off topic but it's so I can understand the thread:

Goons are a member of a particular alliance to my understanding?
Why don't you trust them?
Caleb Ayrania
TarNec
Invisible Exchequer
#40 - 2012-05-22 12:26:12 UTC
Hmm

So Inferno potentially brings more destruction.

Drone regions got nerfed.

Pax is gone..

Production lines are getting more and more latteral integration and complexity.

The conclusion is NOX will drop, and all minerals will drop?

Unless there was some weird isk faucet turned off that I didnt notice, I would very much assume the opposite..

Since it sounded to me like there was more and new faucets turned on, and ccp is considering how to actually create more sinks..

So unless you talking "Real Value" and not price, I think OP is trying to Pull some very weird Frozen Orange Juice stunt..
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