EVE General Discussion

Carniferous is just a ****** "theme parker".

I moved to lowsec after my first month, then to wormholes a bit later. Any other questions?

Anyway you smell like a hairy troll now.

The plain fact is that there are plenty of recorded examples of very low SP characters in cheap ships scoring PvP kills. No-one is saying that T2 ships with T2 mods & weapons aren't nice and don't give an advantage, but those advantages aren't insurmountable.

What makes the difference is player skill, experience and attitude.

None of which will be improved by designing a 50M SP skillplan in EFT then not playing the game while it completes - that's the aspect that the OP is missing out on here: he's trying to play chracter sheets online and it won't work. It just means that when he is "finally ready" for PvP, he'll undock his Abso or Navy Raven or whatever, assume that his 50M SP and 500M ISK ship mean he's entitled to win, and get gang-banged by 3 guys in cheap Drakes plus a noob in a Blackbird hanging 20Km outside of Scorch range.

In the first few months of my game I was in a large pvp corp involved in several war decs pvping in tech 1 ships and weapons. Imagine that!

A couple of new players that joined the game via buddy invite and joined my corp strapped some tech 1 guns onto their riftters and had some fun in low sec, even getting a few kills. Imagine that!

A couple of those new players kill mails using tech 1 ships and weapons

Killmail 1

Killmail 2

If you want to grind endlessly to be able to use items, go play WoW or something. As someone who works full time and often has out of work commitments that limit my playing time, I find the training system in EVE to be rather useful. It isn't a timesink when I don't have to actually spend time doing it.

But seriously, you really sound like the sort of person who'd loathe EVE and very much enjoy wasting endless hours grinding away because it gives some sense of "achievement".

Yes, you just killed your 1000th NPC pirate, now you too have the skills to venture forth into low sec and take on the pirate scum single handed! See how silly that sounds?

I appreciate the replies.

However saying that a player with T1 weaps stands a chance in low/nullsec is absurd.

T1 weaps with the best faction ammo do maybe 50 dmg.

T2 cannons do 450 dmg

How the hell is the T1 going to survive? They aren't.

Difference between Eve and WoW, Wow u grind your experiance, equip a weapon, click a bajillion times to attack... In eve when you train for a weapon, just because you can now fit it doesnt mean you know how to use it. Each weapon has its own way of being used.

There is nothing theoretical about everything getting access to a weapon, everyone can. But everyone has different skill plans.
Take that new star wars game for example my friend played it for a month or 2, maxed out his character got all skills experianced the entire story. in 1 or 2 months. Dunno how many characters there are, lets assume there are 6 or 7. Game can be done and dusted between 7 and 14 months.

Iv been playing Eve on and off for nearly 8 years now. Still no end game in sight. Also i dont pay 30 euro for every silly expansion that comes out.

If Eve became a grind game, mass exodus would not be a surprise to anyone. As stated before Eve is not for everyone, it is a niche market game, and might be "to hardcore" or to "complex" for the average gamer. Not saying your dumb, just saying you seem to want a quick satisfactory result in a short time rather than putting in the effort and isk to get where you want... As annoying as it is spending weeks and months to get enough ISK and the skills together to train that ship you owe so want. When you loose that ship all your effort is wiped. No other game does that, other games hold your hand.

WoW/Aion/SW
You died? Aww you poor thing, let me respawn you and dont worry about loosing that XP of yours you spent hours grinding, were not going to take that away from you. Just take my hand and ill take care of you.

Eve online
You died? hahaha you noob, i hope you spent a few million isk on a good clone, otherwise SP, LETS BE HAVING THAT BACK KTHANKS, and i hope you didnt have expensive implants in. Dont touch me with your filthy paws!

P.S i dont know why but i wrote "Women" instead of "weapon" every time O_o

As I said my alt is outlaw and lives in low..and she does pretty well with her 1.2mil sp.

And yep meanwhile I also think that you are a downtime troll.

On a relative note, I would like to mention that in my extensive pvp experience, T2 weapons are actually very important. That is not to say that you shouldn't pvp if you don't have them; if you do pvp, you should prioritize getting them over other things. On a new character, aside from some minor detours (skills to use MWDs, ABs, tackle), it's pretty much engineering/electronics/shield upgrades (if planning on passive shield ships) 4, hull upgrades (if planning on armor boats) 5, and then straight off to T2 weapons. Obviously this is only for frigate/cruiser sizes, since you shouldn't be flying battleships before 6-8 million skillpoints at all. Also you obviously need the ship skill itself at 4, but that's only a few days at most.

Once again, this is my personal opinion. And like I said before, you should definitely not skip pvp if you don't have T2 weapons. Just make sure to prioritize them in your training plan.

You can be effective in a cruiser as early as 2 million skillpoints, adding another million for T2 weapons. Until then, you should scout/tackle, and generally learn the game. If you're an experienced player, you can pvp in a frigate with half a million skillpoints.


Do you actually have any idea what you're talking about?

Well let's see genius. Do the math.

Whats 450 MINUS 50?

That's the amount of damage a T2 eclipses a T1 weapon by.

Care to guess who wins the fight?

--Here grab your twig and let's fight. Don't worry I only have a machine gun. I'm sure you'll win.--