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High sec plexes need entry keys

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Marcus Ichiro
IchiCorp
#101 - 2012-05-21 18:59:54 UTC
Tel Airuta wrote:
So basically what you are saying is you are a ninja looter, who parasites on the guy who is actually working his way through the plex, and killing the rats, and is now acting all uber hard core on the forums.


So let me get this straight, you're complaining about T3 pilots ninjaing sites from you yet instead of doing something about it you're posting on the forums in the hopes that CCP changes the game to suit you better as though your opinion matters?

Sounds like you're the one acting all "uber hard core". EVE is a PvP game, deal with it.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#102 - 2012-05-21 20:16:46 UTC
There's so many things I'd like to say but it seems the community has done it for me quite well.

I'll just say this: maybe eve isn't for you, consider playing a game that starts with a "World of" and ends with a "Warcraft."

But really, you're pretty much wrong on all accounts. This is a mechanic working as intended. Your tears have provided quite a bit of amusement as well, so we even got a bonus payout from said game mechanic.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#103 - 2012-05-21 20:18:04 UTC
Also, I'm pretty sure I'm in love with Tippia. Says everything I want to say but without getting banned.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#104 - 2012-05-21 20:22:27 UTC
On that note though, T3 should be locked out of high sec plexes. Not for the reasons the OP has given but simply because its just silly that such a powerful ship is used to do those sites.

I welcome all tengu pilots to delightfully refute this point.
Melina Lin
Universal Frog
#105 - 2012-05-21 21:20:41 UTC
Liliana Rahl wrote:
On that note though, T3 should be locked out of high sec plexes. Not for the reasons the OP has given but simply because its just silly that such a powerful ship is used to do those sites.

I welcome all tengu pilots to delightfully refute this point.


But but but, what else am I supposed to do with a maxed out officer Tengu?? Roll
Tarn Kugisa
Kugisa Dynamics
#106 - 2012-05-21 21:59:11 UTC  |  Edited by: Tarn Kugisa
Scan them down, and sit on the entrance cloaked. Then, follow the guy through and ninja salvage/loot.


No need to fool around with shooting the rats.

Be polite. Be efficient. Have a plan to troll everyone you meet - KuroVolt

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#107 - 2012-05-22 06:20:18 UTC
This thread accomplish anything yet?


We know who the real carebears are.


Bring back DEEEEP Space!

St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#108 - 2012-05-22 06:22:03 UTC
Tarn Kugisa wrote:
Scan them down, and sit on the entrance cloaked. Then, follow the guy through and ninja salvage/loot.


No need to fool around with shooting the rats.

But I don't want to compete with other players! They're scary and I might lose :(

I want to have the loot all to myself without any interference from humans!

(Okay that's my quota of being mean today)

But seriously, to the OP, high sec exploration is one of the most competitive PvE activities you can do in game. If you really want to do PvE things solo without interaction from other players, you might want to run missions in a quiet system and hope no one scans you down and bothers you.

Being able to lock other players out from plexes or anything else in game goes against what EVE is: an MMO where you can pitch up and gatecrash anyone's party (and have the same done to you).
Signal11th
#109 - 2012-05-22 07:33:46 UTC
Liliana Rahl wrote:
On that note though, T3 should be locked out of high sec plexes. Not for the reasons the OP has given but simply because its just silly that such a powerful ship is used to do those sites.

I welcome all tengu pilots to delightfully refute this point.



It is not a question of overpowering with the Tengu but why take 15mins to do something when you can take 8 minutes to do it?

Nobody is going to take twice as long doing something just to make someone else feel better???

God Said "Come Forth and receive eternal life!" I came fifth and won a toaster!

St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#110 - 2012-05-22 07:40:05 UTC
Signal11th wrote:
Liliana Rahl wrote:
On that note though, T3 should be locked out of high sec plexes. Not for the reasons the OP has given but simply because its just silly that such a powerful ship is used to do those sites.

I welcome all tengu pilots to delightfully refute this point.



It is not a question of overpowering with the Tengu but why take 15mins to do something when you can take 8 minutes to do it?

Nobody is going to take twice as long doing something just to make someone else feel better???

Well, the gate restrictions are silly because T3 cruisers can fit in sites where battlecruisers can't. Hell, they can fit in where battleships can't, and have better gank (taking into account damage application) and tank (taking into account sig. rad) and have utility (scanning bonus subsystem).

No matter how stringent they make the gate restrictions, people who can afford to will min/max and bring the most expensive deadspace/officer fit ship they can find to run the sites in as short a time frame as possible, so, vOv
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#111 - 2012-05-22 08:21:54 UTC
Plentath wrote:
Roime wrote:
While obviously sandbox solutions are great, there shouldn't be I WIN-buttons in the sandbox. And a T3 against a T1 Arbi is a foolproof win every time.

It isn't ... because you aren't thinking "sandbox" you're thinking "this instance".

When I was a noob in highsec I made quite a bit of money by taking a double-stabbed Stabber (I named it two stabby Mc stabby) into these exploration sites and cloaking.

When a bling Tengu (or whatever) got in the site and started running it, who do you think got the loot from the faction rats?

Hint: It was me.

You just need to adapt. If you can't out-DPS someone then you need to stick a lever in from a different angle and move the problem another way.

I absolutely protest your central notion, because all it would do is tell new players that the only way to get better in EvE is in ships, SP and fittings, and not by getting friends or thinking smarter.

I did it, so can he.


Ok, you are right, my central notion is wrong.

I got blind to my own actions in a vain attempt to defend nubs. Like mentioned I also negated the SP cap in my own way as a noob by going to lowsec and not contesting at all, and later when I did a stint of hs GSO harvesting I used a purpose-built Ishtar that guaranteed win every time.

So, I lol at myself.

Also, ban T2 and T3 ships from hisec!



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Plentath
Sparkle Motion.
#112 - 2012-05-22 08:57:09 UTC
Liliana Rahl wrote:
On that note though, T3 should be locked out of high sec plexes. Not for the reasons the OP has given but simply because its just silly that such a powerful ship is used to do those sites.

I welcome all tengu pilots to delightfully refute this point.


Name another ship with a scan bonus that can run 3 or 4/10s ?

The strat cruisers are pretty much specifically designed to do exactly this; locking them out would be like saying a Stiletto can't fit a warp disruptor as it's too good of a tackler.

I don't actually fly a Tengu, but I should be allowed to if I want to. There's nothing about a Tengu that shouldn't allow it into highsec scan sites except YOU don't think it's worthwhile.

Yesterday I saw a 2005 toon in a Legion running highsec ANOMALIES.

Now I think this is sad as all hell, but he should be allowed to do it if he wants to.
Liliana Rahl
Remote Soviet Industries
Insidious Empire
#113 - 2012-05-22 08:59:58 UTC
Plentath wrote:


Name another ship with a scan bonus that can run 3 or 4/10s ?

The strat cruisers are pretty much specifically designed to do exactly this; locking them out would be like saying a Stiletto can't fit a warp disruptor as it's too good of a tackler.

I don't actually fly a Tengu, but I should be allowed to if I want to. There's nothing about a Tengu that shouldn't allow it into highsec scan sites except YOU don't think it's worthwhile.

Yesterday I saw a 2005 toon in a Legion running highsec ANOMALIES.

Now I think this is sad as all hell, but he should be allowed to do it if he wants to.


I agree with you 100% that they are specifically designed to make plexing easier and more efficient. With that said, they should be restricted to doing it in low sec.

Also you're quite wrong about me thinking its "not worthwhile." Im a high sec Tengu explorer hipster. I've been doing it long before you nerds realized it was cool.
St Mio
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#114 - 2012-05-22 09:47:00 UTC
Plentath wrote:
Liliana Rahl wrote:
On that note though, T3 should be locked out of high sec plexes. Not for the reasons the OP has given but simply because its just silly that such a powerful ship is used to do those sites.

I welcome all tengu pilots to delightfully refute this point.


Name another ship with a scan bonus that can run 3 or 4/10s ?

The strat cruisers are pretty much specifically designed to do exactly this; locking them out would be like saying a Stiletto can't fit a warp disruptor as it's too good of a tackler.

I don't actually fly a Tengu, but I should be allowed to if I want to. There's nothing about a Tengu that shouldn't allow it into highsec scan sites except YOU don't think it's worthwhile.

Yesterday I saw a 2005 toon in a Legion running highsec ANOMALIES.

Now I think this is sad as all hell, but he should be allowed to do it if he wants to.

Clearly the solution is to ban T3s from highsec exploration sites, and introduce a Sisters of EVE faction frigate that can field 5x light drones and has scanning related bonuses.
Tsubutai
Perkone
Caldari State
#115 - 2012-05-22 10:14:12 UTC
I like how people howling about the notion of putting keys in plexes are apparently unaware that several of the current plexes already have keys of one sort or another.
Drew Solaert
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#116 - 2012-05-22 11:00:18 UTC
Well this is a load of bull crap. Try plexing away from Caldari space. Never had a problem in my newbie days on this character.

I lied :o

Thee Joker
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#117 - 2012-05-22 11:14:33 UTC
I have read this whole thread and a lot has been said.


I believe the "KEY" question to all those crying (Tel Airuta, etc) is:

At which point is someone a "veteran" (or 30mil SP supercarebear) versus being a "noob" (you);
Who makes that call and at which point?

Since this would be your mechanic to "limit" the plexes; If they are a noob, let them have it, if not get out.

Think deeply about this and you will realize there is no way to determine this, thus CCP have implemented realistic limitations based on ship class.



To address your original concerns, it seems you are just misinformed, you need to learn a few things about plexes:

the 1/10 plexes do not allow anything bigger than a frigate (assault ships `the best`)
the 2/10 plexes do not allow anything bigger than a destroyer (interdictor; sabre `the best`)
the 3/10 plexes do not allow anything bigger than a cruiser (strategic cruiser `the best`)
the 4/10 plexes do not allow anything bigger than a battlecruiser (at this point strat cruisers are generally best)

These are the restrictions currently in place, and they work quite well.

For example they protect newbies in the 1/10 plexes, as they don't allow Thrashers in who would murder them.

Many plexes do currently have Mechanisms and systems to protect "blitz" looting, it has changed very much over the past several years. Many of them need to be cleared before entering the next room as well as many of them REQUIRING keys that drop from overseer structures.

Several years ago, the 1/10 "intended for n00b" plexes were open & keyless, this led to constant farming by seasoned players in dramiels / interceptors with afterburners. The n00bs were never able to get the keys and farming was done at a higher rate. After keys were introduced, farming the plexes got tougher and the modules recovered a bit, and are now on the rise.





About High Sec:
It is not a free for all 100% safe zone; there are various mechanics at play as the security status lowers.
For example, the concord response is much slower in a 0.5 versus a 1.0 system.

Thus newbies should be and are safer (from ganking) in higher sec areas, due to faster Concord response.

Even though 0.5 is high sec, it is considerably more dangerous than 1.0 if you have something expensive in your cargo hold.



Instances:
Seems that what you want to do is enter a "dungeon" and take your time killing every little ship and collecting every module. There is nothing wrong with that, and that is your thing. Unfortunately EVE has no instancing, and everyone shares the game with everyone.

Eventually people get over the novelty factor of getting random mods and simply want the CHANCE of getting a high end module, which more often than not, does not come at all.

You have to scan down that 3/10 plex, and the faster you can scan it down, the quicker you can get in and get the juicy loot.



let me know if you've got any other questions :)





Asinar
The Hotdog
#118 - 2012-05-22 11:22:29 UTC
I got bored of missions and bought an Interceptor to do hisec DEDs, you know, the ones that appear on map. All were camped, I looked for empty sites for 3 days...finally I got to do one. Of course it was in lowsec.

I just get the feeling that the universe is designed for 5000 players. Too few sites etc. If 10 players decide to do same thing as you, forget it.
Plentath
Sparkle Motion.
#119 - 2012-05-22 11:22:31 UTC
Liliana Rahl wrote:
Plentath wrote:


Name another ship with a scan bonus that can run 3 or 4/10s ?

The strat cruisers are pretty much specifically designed to do exactly this; locking them out would be like saying a Stiletto can't fit a warp disruptor as it's too good of a tackler.

I don't actually fly a Tengu, but I should be allowed to if I want to. There's nothing about a Tengu that shouldn't allow it into highsec scan sites except YOU don't think it's worthwhile.

Yesterday I saw a 2005 toon in a Legion running highsec ANOMALIES.

Now I think this is sad as all hell, but he should be allowed to do it if he wants to.


I agree with you 100% that they are specifically designed to make plexing easier and more efficient. With that said, they should be restricted to doing it in low sec..

Explain why.
Plentath
Sparkle Motion.
#120 - 2012-05-22 11:25:21 UTC
Tsubutai wrote:
I like how people howling about the notion of putting keys in plexes are apparently unaware that several of the current plexes already have keys of one sort or another.

No, I'm not. You're wrong.

I own all of these keys so I can unlock any of the gates.

OP is asking for a unique key for his mission, which creates an instance.

If he is literally just asking for the same mechanic to be put in, then I don't care; since all that will happen is people like me ninja his **** instead. As long as it's possible to enter the deadspace pocket there is no issue WRT the sandbox.