EVE General Discussion

So I've tried to get a few friends into the game, and it always fails as the training curve in this game is far too steep for the average player.

Heck I even stopped playing for a year because it seemed like I could never get my skills where I wanted them due to long training times.

I'm still trying to figure out the point of the training system from a balancing perspective. I get the business reason for making players wait long periods of time. I just don't get the gameplay reason.

Theoretically anyone can get access to great weapons and ships if they simply know how to click the train now button, and buy training books.

Can't really see how this is working as intended. I bet CCP could get more players if they altered the training system to make it more new player friendly.

Would love to see a response other than "THIS IS BORING, why do I have to wait 2 months in order for training to be done?" from my friends.

Quit then, EVE isn't for everyone

Or in other words,

HTFU

Just tell to not jump into the biggest ship they see.

Apart from racial Battleships (which takes 30-35 days to max!) I haven't encountered a skill that takes longer than a week to fully train. Getting the best you can out of a Cruiser doesn't take too long.

Though I am working on Adv. Weapon Upgrades. 25 days för Lv V *shrugs*

Note I did not say training was at all intellectually challenging. In fact it's the opposite. I'd say most people would find waiting 30 days for a skill to finish training, as stupid. It's funny they are called skills, when no skill is required at all to obtain them., lol.

There is a lot of information to take in to begin with, I'm still learning things after being in the game for 3 years, and I like that. I've been helping new players get into the game and through the learning curve, some are really enjoying it, some had slpped away because EVE just probably isn't for them.

I liked the fact that you don't have to mindlessly grind for skills when I started playing and was able to take in a lot, but that's just me. Some people need that extra bit of help to pick up some of the concepts, which is why I think more new players would benefit from having some older players around to point them in the right direction and help them out. Some will stick around, some won't.

Again the "sticking around" you are referring to is just waiting around for skills to finish training. How exciting....

No wonder this game only has like 40k people on at any given moment. I'm not saying to make the game carebear friendly. In fact make it the opposite. Make earning skills feel like you actually accomplished something.

I've been training for 8 years and still can't fly everything. Working as intended. Of course it's easy for me to say with my multi-million SP advance, but I really wouldn't like to see the game being dumbed down in any way. If anyone could fly anything with little effort and minimal training times, people would loose interest really fast.

To address your friends problem:
Just set intermediate goals. Train for something small and fun! You rarely ever need a skill on V, it's mostly optional. Specialize and focus on things that you can achieve fast.

If a noob trains something that takes 35 days, he is training the wrong thing. If he trains other things first, he should be able to do something and have a bit of fun while training bigger skills later.

You are so wrong, I played first 8 months without any T2 turrets.

There's not a single 30-day skill a new player needs.

If you think you can't PVP at all without skill or module X, you can just as well quit now because you'll never be ready. You'll just make a new excuse for being a pussy.

I've been doing fine with T1 weapons.

Why?

Because believe it or not, other people use T1 weapons too!