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A Random Broad
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-05-21 16:01:09 UTC
Yes an alt....ohhhh noooos.

Assuming you are a pre-nerf hisec incursion hating nullsecer (Wormholers, you get a pass)

Given: ~90% of those opposed to the pre-nerf hisec incursion isk rates gave "unbalanced risk vs. reward" as the primary factor in the necessity of a nerf

Then: The reason you live in null is to PvE....not to blow up other people's internet spaceships. You are a carebear (which is okay, just admit it)




Other Situation: "F you, I'm no carebear, I'm primarily in null-sec to kill people"
Then: Your argument is invalid

Fundamental question: Why did you move to null-sec....PvE or PvP? If the latter, then the ability to engage in unrestricted spaceship pew pew is the benefit of 0.0.

Not to mention, ratting in your backwater 0.0 system watching local while doing back to back to back Havens/Sanctums is about as much risk as a hi sec incursion runner, it just required less people (obviously I know it takes a **** ton of people to secure Sov, blah blah blah)


Troll away!
Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#2 - 2012-05-21 16:53:39 UTC
But....what is you point if I may ask?
Ilnaurk Sithdogron
Blackwater International
#3 - 2012-05-21 16:55:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Ilnaurk Sithdogron
I must say that I agree with you. Many people in nullsec who are always screaming at the carebears to HTFU are actually quite cowardly themselves. Why is it that a single afk cloaked red in a nullsec system shuts an entire nullsec system down for hours? I'm a miner/mission runner, and I see a lot of reds in local every day. That doesn't mean I go run for a station and cry until they're gone.

Many people in nullsec need to grow a pair, as do many people in highsec. It's on both sides of the table here.

I gotta say though, why not post this in General Discussion if you're looking for troll hilarity?

http://eve-sojourn.blogspot.com/
Jenn aSide
Worthless Carebears
The Initiative.
#4 - 2012-05-21 16:59:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Jenn aSide
A Random Broad wrote:
Yes an alt....ohhhh noooos.

Assuming you are a pre-nerf hisec incursion hating nullsecer (Wormholers, you get a pass)

Given: ~90% of those opposed to the pre-nerf hisec incursion isk rates gave "unbalanced risk vs. reward" as the primary factor in the necessity of a nerf

Then: The reason you live in null is to PvE....not to blow up other people's internet spaceships. You are a carebear (which is okay, just admit it)




Other Situation: "F you, I'm no carebear, I'm primarily in null-sec to kill people"
Then: Your argument is invalid

Fundamental question: Why did you move to null-sec....PvE or PvP? If the latter, then the ability to engage in unrestricted spaceship pew pew is the benefit of 0.0.

Not to mention, ratting in your backwater 0.0 system watching local while doing back to back to back Havens/Sanctums is about as much risk as a hi sec incursion runner, it just required less people (obviously I know it takes a **** ton of people to secure Sov, blah blah blah)


Troll away!


Someone is butt hurt that ccp turned down the isk tap they were drinking from lol. I'll go ahead and feed the troll since it's a slow news day lol.

I live in null, i shoot red crosses to get the isk to shoot real people with space ships, and the isk is pretty good. It's supposed to be good, at the very least better than in space where you get automated protection from the game itself.

If you go afk in space in hi sec (unless you are in an incursion site of course), the only way something bad can happen to you is if your corp is war decc'ed, or someone suicide ganks you. Even in an incursed system you can just take a break by warping to a safe spot and walking away from your computer.

People like me (who had enough balls to wonder out from under CONCORD can't do that. You either have to fit a cloak (which kinda screws up your ship), warp to a pos (which you or another living breathing human being has to anchor and maintain) or dock in a station is there is one (which someone had to put there).

It's understood by most people that in life you gotta give something to get something. While null may not be total insta-death everytime you log on, it dos take loads of real effort by real people, as osspoed to high sec incursions which is (at best) form fleet - shoot red boxes or rep fleet mates - profit.

Why people who "live" in comfy protected space think they should get the same individual income as those of us in the real game (and yes, low/null/WHs are the real game, this game is about human interaction in space that can only be made safe by human effort) is totally beyond me. I mean realy, how spoiled can you get?

High Sec incursions were a lot like crack for welfare people, now the crack got nerfed back to regular cocaine, and the crack heads are furious lol.

EDIT: ROFL, and how is the name of a white powdery drug that crack somes from a censored word but crack isn't? CCP/Icelanders must not like to party :) .
nahjustwarpin
SUPER DUPER SPACE TRUCKS
#5 - 2012-05-21 18:16:18 UTC  |  Edited by: nahjustwarpin
my carrier alt docks up, because it's a capital ship not fitted for pvp.

you're shooting in wrong direction.
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#6 - 2012-05-21 18:40:27 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
I think it's important to distinguish between carebears and people who primarily engage in PvE.

A carebear is going to get butthurt over a ship loss. They get invested in their hardware and when someone applies violence to it, they react with rage or tears or some other behavior besides "oops, oh well, time to get another ship."

*Some* of the people who rat in null or run wormhole sites and even some highsec dwellers just see ship losses as part of the game. These are NOT carebears, even if they aren't intent upon blowing up other people's stuff.

Among the ~150 incursion ships I help destroy, I saw maybe a dozen that fit in the second category. The incursion community is second only to miners in carebear concentration.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.
sabre906
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#7 - 2012-05-21 18:57:28 UTC
They whine about highsec incursions to take a break from whinning about afk cloakers.Bear
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#8 - 2012-05-21 22:29:09 UTC
I'm a carebear. I spend my time between nullsec, w-space, hisec, and lowsec, ... roughly in that order atm. Occasionally ppl throw themselves in front of my ship and force me to pull the trigger ... but I'm still a carebear, just with guns.

To this particular carebear the OP appears to be meaningless, irrelevant, gibberish. Perhaps I have missed something.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Rezig Huruta
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-05-21 23:26:59 UTC
Substantia Nigra wrote:
I'm a carebear. I spend my time between nullsec, w-space, hisec, and lowsec, ... roughly in that order atm. Occasionally ppl throw themselves in front of my ship and force me to pull the trigger ... but I'm still a carebear, just with guns.

To this particular carebear the OP appears to be meaningless, irrelevant, gibberish. Perhaps I have missed something.


You have missed something.

You're not a carebear. You just don't go looking for PVP. Just 'not looking for PVP' doesn't make you a carebear.

A carebear is someone who actively tries to remove PVP from the game, or one who makes it extremely difficult for others to attack them by changing the game rules.
Substantia Nigra
Polaris Rising
Goonswarm Federation
#10 - 2012-05-22 02:22:19 UTC
Rezig Huruta wrote:
Substantia Nigra wrote:
I'm a carebear.

You have missed something.
You're not a carebear.


LOL, It’s not up to you to decide whether I am a carebear or not … or to impose your views of what carebearishness entails onto me.

It’s a bit like race and culture, and is my call whether I am a carebear or not, not yours.

I am a carebear, and the OP is still a load of codswallop.

I guess I am almost a 'vet' by now. Hopefully not too bitter and managing to help more than I hinder. I build and sell many things, including large collections of bookmarks.
Jack Miton
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-05-22 02:49:52 UTC
wtf are you babbling about....

There is no Bob.

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RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#12 - 2012-05-22 07:32:31 UTC
Safety in Nullsec comes in the form of Intel channels, camps, roaming gangs, fleets to keep and take sov, etc all made up of People Working together to Provide that safety. In other words, massive amounts of player effort goes into making nullsec "safe" for the average scrub ratter.

Safety in HighSec comes from CONCORD, run by the Server, made up of pixels. In other words, it takes zero player effort to be safe in High Sec (I'll go ahead and assume that the number of PvE ships lost per man/hour of PvE is the same, though it's not).


Incursions were unbalanced because the Effort v Reward balance was off. That's similar to Risk v Reward, but combining the accumulated risks that went into making the reward possible.

Safely Ratting in Null Requires:
Taking Sov
Holding Sov
Sov Bills
iHub Upgrades
Intel Channels
Good Recruiting
Towers
Stations
Logistics
Defensive Fleets
Generally, Other People around

Safely Incursioning in High Requires:
Showing Up


See how the balance is off?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Dheeradj Nurgle
Hoover Inc.
Snuffed Out
#13 - 2012-05-22 08:09:45 UTC
I see myself as an 'Carebear'. I run missions, I mine, I do Industry. If I lose a ship to a random gank, I won't bother crying on forums. It's part of the game. If you don't like it, WoW is right there ----->
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-05-22 08:18:04 UTC
Dheeradj Nurgle wrote:
I see myself as an 'Carebear'. I run missions, I mine, I do Industry. If I lose a ship to a random gank, I won't bother crying on forums. It's part of the game. If you don't like it, WoW is right there ----->

you can get ganked in WoW. just sayin'

I should buy an Ishtar.
March rabbit
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-05-22 08:31:59 UTC
yes, i'm nullsec carebear... hm... it was easy.... Shocked

what was thread about?What?

The Mittani: "the inappropriate drunked joke"
Shaen Vesuvius
Redcoats
#16 - 2012-05-22 12:51:04 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Safety in Nullsec comes in the form of Intel channels, camps, roaming gangs, fleets to keep and take sov, etc all made up of People Working together to Provide that safety. In other words, massive amounts of player effort goes into making nullsec "safe" for the average scrub ratter.

Safety in HighSec comes from CONCORD, run by the Server, made up of pixels. In other words, it takes zero player effort to be safe in High Sec (I'll go ahead and assume that the number of PvE ships lost per man/hour of PvE is the same, though it's not).


Incursions were unbalanced because the Effort v Reward balance was off. That's similar to Risk v Reward, but combining the accumulated risks that went into making the reward possible.

Safely Ratting in Null Requires:
Taking Sov
Holding Sov
Sov Bills
iHub Upgrades
Intel Channels
Good Recruiting
Towers
Stations
Logistics
Defensive Fleets
Generally, Other People around

Safely Incursioning in High Requires:
Showing Up


See how the balance is off?


I can only see how the balance is off in your reasoning.

Safely Ratting in Null Requires non of the list above. It requires: Paying attention to local and preferrably an empty system.

Safely Incursioning in High Requires Showing up: Stop being funny.
Demonicly Posessed
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-05-22 13:26:42 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Safety in Nullsec comes in the form of Intel channels, camps, roaming gangs, fleets to keep and take sov, etc all made up of People Working together to Provide that safety. In other words, massive amounts of player effort goes into making nullsec "safe" for the average scrub ratter.

Safety in HighSec comes from CONCORD, run by the Server, made up of pixels. In other words, it takes zero player effort to be safe in High Sec (I'll go ahead and assume that the number of PvE ships lost per man/hour of PvE is the same, though it's not).


Incursions were unbalanced because the Effort v Reward balance was off. That's similar to Risk v Reward, but combining the accumulated risks that went into making the reward possible.

Safely Ratting in Null Requires:
Taking Sov
Holding Sov
Sov Bills
iHub Upgrades
Intel Channels
Good Recruiting
Towers
Stations
Logistics
Defensive Fleets
Generally, Other People around

Safely Incursioning in High Requires:
Showing Up


See how the balance is off?

Bull crap all it takes is stealthbomber and some torpedoes. You dont even have to be in any corporation.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#18 - 2012-05-22 20:06:56 UTC
Demonicly Posessed wrote:

Bull crap all it takes is stealthbomber and some torpedoes. You dont even have to be in any corporation.


Ok, I should clarify for those who might be a mite challenged.

This whole discussion is in regards to ratting in a way that makes more isk/hr than Mission Running in Highsec vs Incursion running in a way that makes more isk/hr than Mission Running in Highsec.

If you can pull 15-20m Isk wallet updates in an SB, you're lying.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#19 - 2012-05-22 20:10:04 UTC
Shaen Vesuvius wrote:


I can only see how the balance is off in your reasoning.

Safely Ratting in Null Requires non of the list above. It requires: Paying attention to local and preferrably an empty system.

Safely Incursioning in High Requires Showing up: Stop being funny.


Who upgrades the system for anomalies? Who keeps the stations from being captured? Who keeps your POS fueled so you don't gimp yourself with a cloak? Etc, Etc.

As for Incursions, take out suicide ganks (as I'm calling that an equal risk to AWOXing, even though AWOXing is more common), and what risks do you run in a shiny VG fleet?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
madsamo
Outer Haven Inc
#20 - 2012-05-22 21:58:34 UTC
FloppieTheBanjoClown wrote:
I think it's important to distinguish between carebears and people who primarily engage in PvE.

A carebear is going to get butthurt over a ship loss. They get invested in their hardware and when someone applies violence to it, they react with rage or tears or some other behavior besides "oops, oh well, time to get another ship."

*Some* of the people who rat in null or run wormhole sites and even some highsec dwellers just see ship losses as part of the game. These are NOT carebears, even if they aren't intent upon blowing up other people's stuff.

Among the ~150 incursion ships I help destroy, I saw maybe a dozen that fit in the second category. The incursion community is second only to miners in carebear concentration.


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