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EVE is hard. Some words of advice to the downtrodden.

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Benilopax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-22 01:51:08 UTC
I have been playing EVE for almost 8 years. I have lost everything I had twice, I am talking down to one ship and less than 100mil here. Once evacuating from 0.0 and again when a wormhole corp I was a member of imploded.

I am reminded of the fanfest presentation about wardec mechanics, the dev present said quite sincerely when explaining the changes that "EVE is hard".

EVE is hard. But not because of the game mechanics, or the design or anything the devs planned when creating this game. EVE is hard because the players make it hard, they always have and they always will.

When pilots join together they can tame incursions, sleepers, easily beat the game for all the isk they can get, but they also can wreak havoc on all of us.

I'm not a friend of Goons, tho I have never fallen foul directly from their actions. I don't agree with their play style, but I would never call for them to be removed or stopped by CCP. I respect that they have found a way to use the game to their advantage, and the only way to "stop" them is to fight.

We've seen the many threads trying to rally people to take them on, they have a point the only way to try and stop them is to fight back. That's why EVE is hard.

When I was much younger a CEO of a high sec corp, we were deced by a 3 man group of pirates who thought we were a push over, before I would have said dock up guys, log off, don't give them the satisfaction. However this time I thought screw it we outnumber them we have heavy hitters in corp and nooblets to tackle, I adopted the goon doctrine for a change.

That evening we sat outside a space station having chased the buggers there, taking them totally by surprise. They congratulated us from inside the station on our courage and how well we had surprised them, a day or so later the war was retracted and we all felt great, and all the greater because it wasn't easy, because EVE is hard.

So I say to all those who feel helpless struggling to keep their head above the complexity of the sandbox, if you really want to feel what this game is like on hard mode, stand up for yourselves make friends and new allies band together and fight. Actually play this game in it's full potential, I won't lie it's likely you will lose.

Afterall, EVE is hard.

...

Alara IonStorm
#2 - 2012-05-22 01:58:47 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Benilopax wrote:
I have been playing EVE for almost 8 years. I have lost everything I had twice, I am talking down to one ship and less than 100mil here. Once evacuating from 0.0 and again when a wormhole corp I was a member of imploded.

As good an advertisement as any for keeping a large supply of liquid capital.

Good post.
Fredfredbug4
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#3 - 2012-05-22 02:01:18 UTC
Your going to have many failures in EVE. A few of them may make you want to quit the game altogether. Those that persevere wind up being among the most successful in this game.

Watch_ Fred Fred Frederation_ and stop [u]cryptozoologist[/u]! Fight against the brutal genocide of fictional creatures across New Eden! Is that a metaphor? Probably not, but the fru-fru- people will sure love it!

Akir Apathi
Hakaari Inc.
#4 - 2012-05-22 02:07:32 UTC
I agree. It is hard and it should be hard; not only because it gives us a reason to fight, but also because it gives us something to aspire to. The leaders of today in our world are the subjects of disgrace tomorrow, and the same rules apply to EVE because we are equally free to do what we want in EVE. Want to fraud a newbie? Do so, but be rest assured that a lot of people will look upon you with disgust. Want to evict an alliance from their systems? Do so, but you need help and must create your own alliance first. The people who will take their time to study the game, its mechanics and all the information out there, will in time be separated from those whom refuse to or simply doesn't want to do the borings parts. New Eden is Darwin's universe naked.

In New Eden everything is possible with enough good people and that's the reason we keep going. We find anti-pirates to build a morally fierce corporation, or pirates to build a corporation which completely lacks the concept of morality. Whatever we choose to do, be rest assured that none of us have thoughts about EVE which are unique.

Nice post.

"He's happy. We must stop this before it spreads." - Dr. House

Kratisto
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-05-22 02:08:17 UTC
I would not say "keep liquid isk" as much as I would say "make sure your belongings are safe", and "have an escape plan at all times".

Its nice to have 50 ships in one place; you would just be best off if most of them are small, and you have a carrier, however.
Alara IonStorm
#6 - 2012-05-22 02:11:47 UTC
Kratisto wrote:
I would not say "keep liquid isk" as much as I would say "make sure your belongings are safe", and "have an escape plan at all times".

Its nice to have 50 ships in one place; you would just be best off if most of them are small, and you have a carrier, however.

Having a large supply of Ships is good but if the unthinkables unthinkable happens you should always have a healthy ISK Safety Net. Even if it is just a small one so you can resume normal operations at any time.

Because honestly you never know.
Vyl Vit
#7 - 2012-05-22 02:25:31 UTC
Well said Benilopax. Well said.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#8 - 2012-05-22 02:36:32 UTC
Ahhh decent posting at last Shocked, explanatory and inspirational at the same time, nicely done Big smile

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#9 - 2012-05-22 02:40:09 UTC
TL;DR: Stop sucking!!!

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Emiko Luan
Aliastra
Gallente Federation
#10 - 2012-05-22 02:44:54 UTC
Good post.

+welcome to my world+ http://emikochan13.wordpress.com http://emikochan13.deviantart.com

Alara IonStorm
#11 - 2012-05-22 02:46:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
TL;DR: Stop sucking!!!

Somewhere I like to think that somebody somewhere is getting a blow job while reading the forums out loud and now hate you.
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#12 - 2012-05-22 03:00:27 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Surfin's PlunderBunny wrote:
TL;DR: Stop sucking!!!

Somewhere I like to think that somebody somewhere is getting a blow job while reading the forums out loud and now hate you.


Yeah well, they can get in line P

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Snyperskov
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#13 - 2012-05-22 03:05:31 UTC
Totally agree with you man, well said.
Sraik Doubter
Pandemic Horde Inc.
Pandemic Horde
#14 - 2012-05-22 03:33:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Sraik Doubter
I, personally find failing at EvE highly fulfilling. Blink

That said, even though eve is difficult, it is the only game that I have ever seen that allows (or encourages) you to set your own benchmarks for success. There really isn't a set standard for "success" in Eve, so it pretty hard to be a complete failure.

Sort of what makes the game special; you can be a looser and, as long as you are good with that, you are fine. Set goals, whatever they are, and reach them. That is the only measure of success that I can think is relevant to the EvE experience.

Great observations by the OP, but I am not of the opinion that failure is certain or even highly likely.
Benilopax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-05-22 04:11:17 UTC
Thanks very much everyone, would you believe I wrote that while soaking in a bath? Pirate

Seems a few people watching the trailer on IGN want to come try EVE out.

I think it's very important to stress how hard EVE is and to challenge new players to try and beat us.

...

Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-05-22 04:12:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Jessie-A Tassik
Benilopax wrote:
I have been playing EVE for almost 8 years. I have lost everything I had twice, I am talking down to one ship and less than 100mil here. Once evacuating from 0.0 and again when a wormhole corp I was a member of imploded.


I suppose that makes you an idiot. But why not listen to an idiot?


Quote:

I am reminded of the fanfest presentation about wardec mechanics, the dev present said quite sincerely when explaining the changes that "EVE is hard".


Especially when you are a Null Bear that warps to station whenever a non-Blue appears in system.

Watching Local IS HARD.

Watching Local is REALLY HARD.

So you are a GULLIBLE idiot.

I suppose I REALLY should listen to you now.

Please continue that "Good Friend To All Men" bs you have going there. The young'ns eat that BS up.

Quote:

When I was much younger a CEO of a high sec corp, we were deced by a 3 man group of pirates who thought we were a push over, before I would have said dock up guys, log off, don't give them the satisfaction. However this time I thought screw it we outnumber them we have heavy hitters in corp and nooblets to tackle, I adopted the goon doctrine for a change.


And suprisingly turns out to be a "Goon friend".
Iamien
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#17 - 2012-05-22 04:14:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Iamien
Difficulty in EVE has a direct inverse relationship with how attached you are to your stuff.

See: tech alliances with awesome ship reimbursements, makes eve easy.
Benilopax
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-05-22 04:19:16 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Benilopax wrote:
I have been playing EVE for almost 8 years. I have lost everything I had twice, I am talking down to one ship and less than 100mil here. Once evacuating from 0.0 and again when a wormhole corp I was a member of imploded.


I suppose that makes you an idiot. But why not listen to an idiot?


Quote:

I am reminded of the fanfest presentation about wardec mechanics, the dev present said quite sincerely when explaining the changes that "EVE is hard".


Especially when you are a Null Bear that warps to station whenever a non-Blue appears in system.

Watching Local IS HARD.

Watching Local is REALLY HARD.

So you are a GULLIBLE idiot.

I suppose I REALLY should listen to you now.

Please continue that "Good Friend To All Men" bs you have going there. The young'ns eat that BS up.

Quote:

When I was much younger a CEO of a high sec corp, we were deced by a 3 man group of pirates who thought we were a push over, before I would have said dock up guys, log off, don't give them the satisfaction. However this time I thought screw it we outnumber them we have heavy hitters in corp and nooblets to tackle, I adopted the goon doctrine for a change.


And suprisingly turns out to be a "Goon friend".


I knew a troll would come out from under a bridge sooner or later. You don't have to be a friend of goons to adopt their attitude to new players being important.

Yes maybe I was an idiot in the past, but I have learned from my experiences and not become bitter about it. You seem bitter in your reply, but everyone has to have critics.

...

Rond Dorlezahn
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-05-22 04:22:36 UTC
Made it almost a page without some NPC Corp alt poser. P

Kudos to OP for a good post. Something like this should be the first thing Aura says to you ingame.
Simi Kusoni
HelloKittyFanclub
#20 - 2012-05-22 04:27:33 UTC
Benilopax wrote:
I knew a troll would come out from under a bridge sooner or later. You don't have to be a friend of goons to adopt their attitude to new players being important.

Yes maybe I was an idiot in the past, but I have learned from my experiences and not become bitter about it. You seem bitter in your reply, but everyone has to have critics.

I don't think he's a troll, I saw him start posting on these forums a while back and he seemed like a hopeful and optimistic little care bear.

I think some time in between now and then we crushed his soul, and now all that remains is hatred, bitterness and an all consuming fear of goonswarm.

[center]"I don't troll, I just give overly blunt responses that annoy people who are wrong but don't want to admit it. It's not my fault that people have sensitive feelings"  -MXZF[/center]

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