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Let carebears be carebears (PVP Opt Out)
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Angelice
Indivisio
#201 - 2012-05-21 20:21:43 UTC
Absolutely there should be no safe haven for carebears but I have to agree with the OP that the new mechanics are seriously flawed if they are left as is.

There is no consideration for griefer war decs where there is no point sitting on a station waiting for eternity to kill an alt who will never undock.

Hopefully they will clear up the mess of war decs rubbing off on pickup fleet logis to compensate. I think I remember them mentioning something along those lines in the FanFest keynotes...
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#202 - 2012-05-21 20:53:53 UTC
Angelice wrote:
Absolutely there should be no safe haven for carebears but I have to agree with the OP that the new mechanics are seriously flawed if they are left as is.

There is no consideration for griefer war decs where there is no point sitting on a station waiting for eternity to kill an alt who will never undock.

Hopefully they will clear up the mess of war decs rubbing off on pickup fleet logis to compensate. I think I remember them mentioning something along those lines in the FanFest keynotes...


If the attacker isn't bothering to prosecute the wardec, how are they causing you problems?

"Fixing" the pickup fleet logi thing means making Logiing an attackable target not give you an aggro time. That's stupid.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#203 - 2012-05-21 21:29:00 UTC
Angelice wrote:

Hopefully they will clear up the mess of war decs rubbing off on pickup fleet logis to compensate. I think I remember them mentioning something along those lines in the FanFest keynotes...


Yet another scrub talking about things they know little about
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#204 - 2012-05-22 00:14:38 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Angelice wrote:

Hopefully they will clear up the mess of war decs rubbing off on pickup fleet logis to compensate. I think I remember them mentioning something along those lines in the FanFest keynotes...


Yet another scrub talking about things they know little about


Your wealth of knowledge sir, is unmatched. Great job informing others with such wisdom.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#205 - 2012-05-22 01:24:39 UTC
bongsmoke wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:
Angelice wrote:

Hopefully they will clear up the mess of war decs rubbing off on pickup fleet logis to compensate. I think I remember them mentioning something along those lines in the FanFest keynotes...


Yet another scrub talking about things they know little about


Your wealth of knowledge sir, is unmatched. Great job informing others with such wisdom.



Mmmmm...yes. You're absolutely right. Also, while you're "down there", make those choking sounds I love. And please, no teeth.
Tar Noguchi
Native Freshfood
Minmatar Republic
#206 - 2012-05-22 07:00:19 UTC
Carebears destroyed UO, they will try to destroy eve.

Unfortunately they are to narrow minded to see how they are doing this.
Jiin Ko
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#207 - 2012-05-22 09:36:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Jiin Ko
David Campbell wrote:
Why is it so hard for some people to understand ??? It's not a game where you're supposed to be safe, it's a harsh universe where people get gunned down sometime for no reasons. At least with the war dec system, you have a 24h notice, you know who's after you and you have time to take defensive actions. Hell you can even call in reinforcements if your the one attacked.

If you wanna be left alone playing a spreadsheet game, I don't know go play sim city, or even better, open a real business. And that come from someone who mined for almost a year, so it's not like I'm a pvp is the only way to go kind of guy. I love the industry/market aspect of eve. You just can't ask for theses aspect to be deconnected from the rest of the game.


I like the above post (it was on the first page of this thread).

Consider that along with this new PVP wardec mechanic, they are also introducing a mercenary corporation system.

Have you gotten wardec'd? Guess what; throw some of that delicious carebear money at the problem. I for one would love going to town for you, if you paid me enough; I'm sure there's plenty of other PVP pilots out there who would more or less do the same thing. So you can still 'opt out' - you just have to pay someone else to do your fighting for you.

"Sandbox" is essentially a place where people can do what they want. Unfortunately, human nature dictates that some people want to make other people suffer. Either man up and accept that aspect of the game, find someone else who is willing to, and pay them to protect your fluffy butt, or make a minecraft server.
Boogie Jones
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#208 - 2012-05-22 09:49:58 UTC
AxelFuller wrote:
i can opt out of PVP by staying in an NPC corp


Uh no. It's called suicide ganking. I hear it's pretty cool.

CptBen: this was the rare nice CptBen, ill probably be back later and boogie will agravate me and ill call you all scrubs
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#209 - 2012-05-22 20:02:00 UTC
Boogie Jones wrote:
AxelFuller wrote:
i can opt out of PVP by staying in an NPC corp


Uh no. It's called suicide ganking. I hear it's pretty cool.


Shh, be vewwy vewwy quiet, I'm hunting whiners.



Huh, I guess even mr Fudd thinks miners are...

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Shaampoo
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#210 - 2012-05-22 23:00:24 UTC
AxelFuller wrote:
David Campbell wrote:
AxelFuller wrote:


First reasonable response :) good opinion and kind of makes sense what you said.

So for the next question its going to cost the agressor 20mil + 500k per member in the defender corp to to hold up a war dec for a week. So joking aside i could create 500 trial account characters in a matter of hours therefore making it cost a minimum of 250mil to war dec my corp. This is another area where the mechaic is broken.


You obviously didn't read the devblog carefully enough, trials account will not be taken into consideration while calculating the wardec cost.


Ok so on the flip side what is stopping me from creating say 50 trial account characters putting them in my corp and then war decing other small corps who will see I have a 50man corp and think twice about paying the ransom money or putting up a fight.
Effort mainly and if CCP see 60 trail accounts being created from one Ip i am sure that will flip of a bot alarm
TravisWB
#211 - 2012-05-23 02:07:24 UTC
OP, there are many corps like the 5 person micro corp you describe. It is up to you to find the ones that have similar interests and members that you can trust so that you can all combine and become strong enough to survive. To survive you must either develop PVP skills and power or you must ally with someone that can provide that for you.

The GOONS and hence CCP, has decided that the play style you enjoy MUST BE ELIMINATED.

Therefore, adapt or die, or just give EVE up. EVE is going to be little more than a buy-isk-to-play shooting gallery from here on out.
wwwkiacc
kom.cc corp
#212 - 2012-05-23 06:20:42 UTC
CCP want we kill each other so CCP can make big profit from plex=$$$
all for $$$
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#213 - 2012-05-23 09:03:00 UTC
wwwkiacc wrote:
CCP want we kill each other so CCP can make big profit from plex=$$$
all for $$$



Yep, CCP wants players to create content through their interactions in a multiplayer sandbox environment in order to entice players to continue paying to keep said multiplayer sandbox environment running and evolving. How ebil Twisted.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon
Roime
Mea Culpa.
Shadow Cartel
#214 - 2012-05-23 10:08:14 UTC
TravisWB wrote:
or you must ally with someone that can provide that for you.


Why not?

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Denarus Arran
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#215 - 2012-05-23 12:17:18 UTC
Instead of being grumpy about wardeccing why not embrace it and try something new? Faction warfare has just had a buff why not give it a go?

PEWPEWPEW
Austneal
Nero Fazione
#216 - 2012-05-24 00:17:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Austneal
Quote:
Your responses make no sense, i can opt out of PVP by staying in an NPC corp, there job done i no longer have to take part in PVP.


Ok, you join an NPC corp, undock in something expensive, and we'll see how long your "opt out" lasts Lol
This is a pvp oriented game. If you don't like pvp, this game is not for you.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#217 - 2012-05-24 00:42:40 UTC
Austneal wrote:
Quote:
Your responses make no sense, i can opt out of PVP by staying in an NPC corp, there job done i no longer have to take part in PVP.


Ok, you join an NPC corp, undock in something expensive, and we'll see how long your "opt out" lasts Lol


On Jita 4-4, with no instaundock, I predict 2.5 seconds. Lol
Raiz Nhell
State War Academy
Caldari State
#218 - 2012-05-24 03:39:06 UTC
I think that you should be able to opt out of PvP...

And since actually firing your guns is a very small part of PvP, you can kiss your market interface goodbye, no more shooting rocks, no more PI, no more competition...

So you can sit and spin in your pod... cause the rest of EVE is PvP, with or without guns...

There is no such thing as a fair fight...

If your fighting fair you have automatically put yourself at a disadvantage.
Davion Falcon
Those Once Loyal
#219 - 2012-05-24 06:19:39 UTC
You consented to PVP when you logged into the game.

Everything else is risk management. Deal with it, or to a friendlier game like WoW.

Ruthlessness is the kindness of the wise. Never forgotten, never forgiven.
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#220 - 2012-05-24 07:32:50 UTC
AxelFuller wrote:
With the new War Dec mechanics it seems like there is no consideration to players who wish to take part in PVE activity only.

Good