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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#1 - 2011-10-02 14:38:28 UTC
Every time I JC my avatar looks different than what I have it set too. There is a message saying it reverts to a dna they have on file or something. My question is how do I update what ever I need to update so I don't have to keep redoing my character everytime I jump.
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#2 - 2011-10-02 15:33:42 UTC
Go to the avatar customization thingy (the icon that looks like a mirror and your avatar in the station window) and save the jumpclone how you want it to look.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#3 - 2011-10-02 23:03:30 UTC
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
Go to the avatar customization thingy (the icon that looks like a mirror and your avatar in the station window) and save the jumpclone how you want it to look.



I do that but it still changes back. I've jumped back and forth between the same two, and only two, jump clones and they all revert.
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#4 - 2011-10-03 00:08:27 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
Go to the avatar customization thingy (the icon that looks like a mirror and your avatar in the station window) and save the jumpclone how you want it to look.



I do that but it still changes back. I've jumped back and forth between the same two, and only two, jump clones and they all revert.



hmm thats odd. it works for me. then i am out of ideas sorry
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#5 - 2011-10-03 10:59:35 UTC
Maybe I'm having trouble with what you mean by save. What do you mean by save? Because I finalize but it changes when I jc anyway.
J'Poll
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#6 - 2011-10-03 16:42:26 UTC
As far as I know Jump Clone only clone your 'body', this doesn't include the clothes you did put on when you rolled out of your station bed and into your walk-in closet they now call CQ.

So maybe that's why your JC turns back to the looks you made him/her on the first time you set the toon.

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Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#7 - 2011-10-04 20:41:19 UTC
Ahh wait i think we might be talking about different things.

Each jump clone has its own appearence, so unless you made ALL your jump clones look exactly the same.. then yes you will change appearence when you jumpclone.

However if you find that the jumpclone doesnt retain the appearence you made for it, say you make a clone, jump to another and then back and the first clone no longer looks like how you saved it.. Then that sounds like a bug to me.
Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#8 - 2011-10-08 01:36:43 UTC
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
Ahh wait i think we might be talking about different things.

Each jump clone has its own appearence, so unless you made ALL your jump clones look exactly the same.. then yes you will change appearence when you jumpclone.

However if you find that the jumpclone doesnt retain the appearence you made for it, say you make a clone, jump to another and then back and the first clone no longer looks like how you saved it.. Then that sounds like a bug to me.



I only use 2 clones. I have an updated my appearance and then I jump clone. I update that jc's appearance to look exactly the same as the clone I jumped out of. Then I jump back and the clone's appearance has reverted to something old. I update it and jc back to clone number 2. I discover clone number 2 has reverted and I keep having to redo it every time. Is there anyway to keep the clone updated because it's starting to **** me off!
Linda Shadowborn
Dark Steel Industries
#9 - 2011-10-09 23:18:37 UTC
That doesnt sound right.. i would suggest making a bug report. I never had that issue. :( Sorry i cant be of more help
pussnheels
Viziam
#10 - 2011-10-10 08:53:57 UTC
your jump clone appearance is the same appearance the moment you created the jumpclone
So if you made a jumpclone and after that you change your appearance your jumpclone will appear as before you changed

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Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#11 - 2011-10-11 02:00:19 UTC
Linda Shadowborn wrote:
Ahh wait i think we might be talking about different things.

Each jump clone has its own appearence, so unless you made ALL your jump clones look exactly the same.. then yes you will change appearence when you jumpclone.

However if you find that the jumpclone doesnt retain the appearence you made for it, say you make a clone, jump to another and then back and the first clone no longer looks like how you saved it.. Then that sounds like a bug to me.


I ran into this earlier this week, my problem was caused by the quafe shirt. It may possibly be that if you use any non-standard clothing on your avatar it will not update your DNA record.

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Dracko Malus
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#12 - 2011-10-11 08:09:11 UTC
Hiya guys, I've made a ticket about this a while back.

The basic idea is that the JumpClone is "saved" the way you originally installed it.

What this means for the most of us that created the JC's before incarna is that all the JC's look like the first character re-customization you did when incarna came out.

There is no way to change the appearance of the JC other than destroying one, and re-installing it with the new look, bar Vanity items.

I had a few pointers on this though that the GM was rather reluctant to answer to, and which I now understand is simply related to the vanity items..

I asked him why it was no problem pre-incarna, when you just had a portrait and that was it.
Then came incarna and this issue started whenever you want to JC to another clone. My mentioning was that wherever you jump, if you don't re-customize your portrait will be identical but your clone in station will be back to "original".

Now comes the tricky part however, where I now understand that the GM didn't want to clarify.
Pre-Vanity items, there would have been not a single reason why you would not be able to just modify all the clones. But due to the vanity items requiring to be with you at the time of modifying the appearance you cannot transfer it to all clones or there would no longer be a need to equip a vanity item. See note below regarding Trade *

I'm a very frequent clone jumper, and simply for the reason mentioned above I've just turned off the CQ, as it serves not a single purpose if every time I Jump it changes back to the horrible character looks I made when I first got into Incarna. Your portrait stays the same wherever you go, and as you can see on my character also the vanity clothes you wear are retained in it.

I personally think this is an issue CCP should take very seriously if they want me to actually think about enabling CQ again.
It's just pointless if I have to re-customize my character every time I jump so I can look pretty in the CQ again.

*Trading after equipping:
I've actually found it is possible to buy a vanity item, re-customize my character to wear the item and make the portrait. And then just jump to another clone. From there I can then just head back to the station I jumped from, pick up the vanity item.. and sell it to the market. And guess what, my portrait stays the same.. and the vanity item is no longer required until I wish to re-customize again.. Except of course... the character walking in your CQ.. will of course no longer be wearing it.

I don't yet understand why this has not yet been fixed, as this is a way to buy a monocle.. equip it and make the portrait.. then simply jump and have it stripped, and just re-sell the monocle for profit, and no-one would ever know you don't own it anymore.

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Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#13 - 2011-10-11 10:04:07 UTC
Dracko Malus wrote:
Good post


Ya, I figured as much on that front, and I agree. The fuss involved in looking good in incarna is not worth the effort.

If I were the one designing the system, I would have it used the most recent set of preferences, but simply use the first piece of clothing instead of vanity items.

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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#14 - 2011-10-12 23:19:50 UTC
I think we should have the ability to update it or something.
Dracko Malus
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#15 - 2011-10-13 08:00:59 UTC
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
I think we should have the ability to update it or something.


Well, you have it in place already. "Simply" delete an installed clone, and reinstall a new one.
(Could someone with an implant-less clone please try this out?)

Only problem I see with this is that you loose your implants, which seems kinda dumb.. as you should also (imo) be able to "update" a clone.. or at least preserve the modifications you made to one prior to jumping to another.

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Sir Substance
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2011-10-13 08:36:28 UTC
Dracko Malus wrote:
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
I think we should have the ability to update it or something.


Well, you have it in place already. "Simply" delete an installed clone, and reinstall a new one.
(Could someone with an implant-less clone please try this out?)

Only problem I see with this is that you loose your implants, which seems kinda dumb.. as you should also (imo) be able to "update" a clone.. or at least preserve the modifications you made to one prior to jumping to another.


I can see another problem. If, like most people, you got your jumpclones by joining a sponsor corp and don't actually have 8+standings with a corp, you can't install JC's on a whim.

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Dracko Malus
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#17 - 2011-10-13 08:50:44 UTC
I fully agree, even more so if you're considering that you can have up to 5 JC's (so a total of 6 because your "current" is also one) which you already have to recreate every single time you jump.. do you really want to recreate your clone 7 times a week? I know I don't.. I'd say that the clone you leave, should remain as it was when you left it.. and be the same when you return to it. I don't understand why it is not that way.

I mean think of it.. I put on some clothes, and dye my hair.. then I switch my consciousness to another body.. and a day later I return to my previous one.. WHO ON EARTH CHANGED my clothes and haircolor back to "what's saved in the system" its just doesn't make sense.


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Acac Sunflyier
The Ascended Academy
#18 - 2011-10-17 02:19:35 UTC
Dracko Malus wrote:
I fully agree, even more so if you're considering that you can have up to 5 JC's (so a total of 6 because your "current" is also one) which you already have to recreate every single time you jump.. do you really want to recreate your clone 7 times a week? I know I don't.. I'd say that the clone you leave, should remain as it was when you left it.. and be the same when you return to it. I don't understand why it is not that way.

I mean think of it.. I put on some clothes, and dye my hair.. then I switch my consciousness to another body.. and a day later I return to my previous one.. WHO ON EARTH CHANGED my clothes and haircolor back to "what's saved in the system" its just doesn't make sense.




Sir Substance wrote:
Dracko Malus wrote:
Acac Sunflyier wrote:
I think we should have the ability to update it or something.


Well, you have it in place already. "Simply" delete an installed clone, and reinstall a new one.
(Could someone with an implant-less clone please try this out?)

Only problem I see with this is that you loose your implants, which seems kinda dumb.. as you should also (imo) be able to "update" a clone.. or at least preserve the modifications you made to one prior to jumping to another.


I can see another problem. If, like most people, you got your jumpclones by joining a sponsor corp and don't actually have 8+standings with a corp, you can't install JC's on a whim.



The problem I have is that I can't install clones willy dilly. I simply don't have the standings with any corp high enough to put one in. Also my sec status is so far in the trash I cannot undock to do high sec missions. I wouldn't even want to anyway. Missions are like grinding fingernails on a chalk board. Only thing I'd rather not so more is mining.

As is, the only way I can JC is if I get a hold of somebody with the right ship, wait for him or her to be online, fly out there, install it, move my JC to where I want it and wait. Not to mention the fact that I don't just want to be deleting t2 implants on an appearance whim.
Dracko Malus
Messerschmitt Vertrieb und Logistik
#19 - 2011-10-17 19:09:13 UTC
Hi again guys, I've just checked.. and in fact a character is not saved if you destroy a clone and re-install.

Every time you Jump to another clone.. you will be reset to how you looked when Incarna came out.. which I think.. is very stupid.

CCP, there is no logic to this.. Just let us jump with our looks and setup however we look apart from when we wear NEX stuff..
Or maybe even just leave that on? The current system with resetting makes no sense at all..

Tess La'Coil's loveslave.