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I'm Gallente, and I own slaves

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Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#1 - 2012-05-21 16:10:35 UTC
Who's to say all slaves are minmatar? Who's to say all slavers are Amarr?

I have always been a casual and passive supporter of the Federation and its ideals. I still believe that a free and capitalist society is at least better than a corporate state, a religious empire, or a divided tribal nation, yet I have for some time and will probably continue to own slaves. I don't see this as any sort of breach of my Gallente heritage, despite the majority of my people believing slavery is inherently wrong. I, on the other hand, believe that might makes right, and since I have the power to do as I wish, I do so.

Are there any other Gallente citizens like me, who own a slave and are proud to say you are a kind and benevolent Master, continuing to uphold the ideals of the Federation while exercising your freedom to enslave and own beautiful young girls (of all races)...
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#2 - 2012-05-21 16:17:29 UTC
There's nightclubs on Caille that cater specifically to your kink. I doubt you'll find many Gallente who disapprove of your preferred lifestyle.
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#3 - 2012-05-21 16:43:05 UTC
You're either one of the many criminal slavers, since slavery is illegal within the Federation... or you're a fetishist.

Nothing new to see here.

Katrina Oniseki

Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-05-21 19:08:04 UTC
According to your own words, your slaves consist mostly of "young girls," which leaves a great many things suspect as to what you consider being a "kind and benevolent" master.

Furthermore, since it is clear that your use of slavery has nothing to do with bettering the slave or benefiting them in any way but rather simply benefiting yourself, I will say that your practice of slavery is a disgusting abomination. Parading your practices here is even more despicable.
N'maro Makari
Itsukame-Zainou Hyperspatial Inquiries Ltd.
Arataka Research Consortium
#5 - 2012-05-21 19:33:47 UTC
From a strictly academic perspective, your understanding of Gallente ideals is... non-existant

**Vherokior **

Rodj Blake
PIE Inc.
Khimi Harar
#6 - 2012-05-21 19:43:38 UTC
Owning slaves imparts as many duties as it does rights, and I doubt if a Gallente would understand this.

Dolce et decorum est pro Imperium mori

Morwen Lagann
Tyrathlion Interstellar
#7 - 2012-05-21 19:44:38 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Owning slaves imparts as many duties as it does rights, and I doubt if a Gallente would understand this.


While you might be correct in this idiot's case, you would probably be surprised exactly how wrong you are in the majority of circumstances.

Morwen Lagann

CEO, Tyrathlion Interstellar

Coordinator, Arataka Research Consortium

Owner, The Golden Masque

Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-05-21 20:51:09 UTC
Rodj Blake wrote:
Owning slaves imparts as many duties as it does rights, and I doubt if a Gallente would understand this.


With all due respect, Admiral Blake, this is true in the Empire but I suspect that we are unique in this aspect.
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#9 - 2012-05-21 22:17:02 UTC
Hmm interesting replies...

I suspected more fellow Gallente, and Matar, being appalled at my actions, and possibly some Amarr congratulating me for seeing some things their way.

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Furthermore, since it is clear that your use of slavery has nothing to do with bettering the slave or benefiting them in any way but rather simply benefiting yourself, I will say that your practice of slavery is a disgusting abomination. Parading your practices here is even more despicable.


It's clear? Why do you say that? I gave no details about the lives of my slaves or how they're treated, so I would argue that you can't say it is clear what my use of slavery has to do with anything. Also why is "parading" my practices so despicable? I'm simply here at the Summit looking for discussions about the topic, and seeing if I can meet any interesting pilots who agree with my lifestyle.

So fiery in their opinions, some of these capsuleers....

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From a strictly academic perspective, your understanding of Gallente ideals is... non-existant


Not a completely unfounded argument, but I choose to see things differently. I believe in freedom, MY freedom... to own slaves. ;)
Katrina Oniseki
Oniseki-Raata Internal Watch
Ishuk-Raata Enforcement Directive
#10 - 2012-05-21 22:20:59 UTC
Katrina Oniseki wrote:

Nothing new to see here.

Katrina Oniseki

Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-05-21 22:28:18 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:


It's clear? Why do you say that? I gave no details about the lives of my slaves or how they're treated, so I would argue that you can't say it is clear what my use of slavery has to do with anything. Also why is "parading" my practices so despicable? I'm simply here at the Summit looking for discussions about the topic, and seeing if I can meet any interesting pilots who agree with my lifestyle.

So fiery in their opinions, some of these capsuleers....


Let's see...

Leto Aramaus wrote:
I, on the other hand, believe that might makes right, and since I have the power to do as I wish, I do so.

Are there any other Gallente citizens like me, who own a slave and are proud to say you are a kind and benevolent Master, continuing to uphold the ideals of the Federation while exercising your freedom to enslave and own beautiful young girls (of all races)...


Emphasis mine. This is an entirely self-serving philosophy and your proud proclamation that you have the power to do as you wish is a reflection of a self-serving philosophy.

Furthermore, you serve your own understanding of "Federation ideals" despite the "majority of your people believing you're wrong."

Finally, you expect praise from the Amarr for your actions because you do not understand us. Just as it is clear you don't understand your own people.
Sephira Raynes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#12 - 2012-05-21 22:31:11 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Hmm interesting replies...

I suspected more fellow Gallente, and Matar, being appalled at my actions, and possibly some Amarr congratulating me for seeing some things their way.


That you would think an Amarr, any Amarr, would congratulate you reveals a fundamental misunderstanding on your part on how and why slavery as an institution exists in the Empire.

Leto Aramaus wrote:
I'm simply here at the Summit looking for discussions about the topic, and seeing if I can meet any interesting pilots who agree with my lifestyle.


Look elsewhere for your echo chamber.
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#13 - 2012-05-21 22:35:58 UTC
Well according to you people, who I'm guessing represent only the most "stick-in-the-ass" amarr citizens, no Amarr would be happy that a Gallente thinks slavery isn't inherently evil.

And Sylux... who the f*ck are you to criticize me and say MY method of slavery is totally "self-serving"... but because you're an Amarr, the slavery that you partake in is completely righteous?


Typical snot nosed Amarr attitude.
Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-05-21 22:46:30 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Well according to you people, who I'm guessing represent only the most "stick-in-the-ass" amarr citizens, no Amarr would be happy that a Gallente thinks slavery isn't inherently evil.

And Sylux... who the f*ck are you to criticize me and say MY method of slavery is totally "self-serving"... but because you're an Amarr, the slavery that you partake in is completely righteous?


Typical snot nosed Amarr attitude.


Again, you display your ignorance. I am an Amarr Holder, I have every right to educate you on the differences between slavery in the Empire and slavery practiced simply "because I can." You do not instruct your slaves in the manners of God, you do not educate them in the ways of faith and your own words have indicated that you enslave primarily "young girls (of every race)" because "might makes right."

If you will now claim that I cannot know that you do not instruct them in the ways of the Amarr faith and toward God, then you will make an even larger fool of yourself, so I suggest you refrain from doing so lest I am forced to illuminate it for you.

Your first statement also dismisses entirely the context of your own topic. We have not even begun to discuss the inherent evil or lack thereof in slavery, we have simply pointed out the differences in ideology between yourself and an Amarrian Holder.

Your indignation is also quite telling.
Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#15 - 2012-05-21 22:52:16 UTC
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You do not instruct your slaves in the manners of God


Hah. HAHA.

I do hate typing out laughing text, but I had to do it to let you know that your little God snippet just cracked me up. If THAT's your argument... I don't even need to continue.

There is no god you fool.

I simply can't believe that so many nearly immortal members of the elite society of pod pilots still believe such mystical, pious nonsense.

God... don't make me laugh Amarr, please.
Sephira Raynes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-05-21 22:54:12 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Well according to you people, who I'm guessing represent only the most "stick-in-the-ass" amarr citizens, no Amarr would be happy that a Gallente thinks slavery isn't inherently evil.

And Sylux... who the f*ck are you to criticize me and say MY method of slavery is totally "self-serving"... but because you're an Amarr, the slavery that you partake in is completely righteous?


Typical snot nosed Amarr attitude.


*Sigh*

Here we go.

Alright, I'm going to have to go through this point by point, because there is so very much wrong with everything you are saying that I must address.

The most "stick in the mud" Amarr citizens consider capsuleers soulless and eternally damned. No Amarr would be happy if a Gallente thought slavery isn't inherently evil because the Amarr couldn't care less whether the Gallente, or anyone else, gave their stamp of approval. The True Amarr as a group consider themselves God's chosen people, divinely tasked with Reclaiming the universe to serve and worship God. Slavery is used as a way to Reclaim, to punish (penal slavery), rehabilitate, and as a kind of social safety net. Even True Amarr may be enslaved, though it is of course far less common then other bloodlines.

It is abundantly clear, by your own words, that your methods are self-serving as you specifically target attractive young women. Further, not all Amarr citizens own slaves, or even support its practice.
Sephira Raynes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#17 - 2012-05-21 22:55:11 UTC
You may find the Sani Sabik to be more to your liking Mr. Aramaus.
Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-05-21 22:58:54 UTC
Leto Aramaus wrote:
Quote:
You do not instruct your slaves in the manners of God


Hah. HAHA.

I do hate typing out laughing text, but I had to do it to let you know that your little God snippet just cracked me up. If THAT's your argument... I don't even need to continue.

There is no god you fool.

I simply can't believe that so many nearly immortal members of the elite society of pod pilots still believe such mystical, pious nonsense.

God... don't make me laugh Amarr, please.


Good, at least you didn't pretend that your faith (or lack thereof) was similar, you maintain some measure of credibility. However, you did just prove my entire argument up to this point entirely correct. Thank you.

You remain a filthy slave-holding, self-serving megalomaniac.

Leto Aramaus
Frog Team Four
Of Essence
#19 - 2012-05-21 22:59:27 UTC
Quote:
The True Amarr as a group consider themselves God's chosen people, divinely tasked with Reclaiming the universe to serve and worship God.


Making them idiots.

I'll happily admit I was wrong to expect praise from the Amarr, I guess I don't know anything about you people, except that you're morons.
Sephira Raynes
Imperial Academy
Amarr Empire
#20 - 2012-05-21 23:00:51 UTC
I think I now know how Matari living in the Federation feel when they see a Gallente teenager sporting a bastardized version of their sacred marks.
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