Ships & Modules

Throw in exile, legion booster and a couple of faction eanms (they aren't _that_ expensive) and thats easily well over 20K dps sustained tank without overheating.

Yes, a lot.

3 per lvl = 15 + 5 = 20 = 10 000 dps from a max skilled Nyx; FB's used to hit full on any subcapital.
As far as fighters/drones are concerned a Nyx or any other mom can have twice as much fighters out as any carrier.

Now that FB's have guns instead of missiles along with a host of other nerfs they are a lot less deadly on sub capitals then they used to.
Also 5 min siege timer and other improvements have made dreads a whole lot better (especially the removal of tracking bonus while sieged) and I can't complain about 5min triage on carriers either.

Well, its the same old tracking formula. You can't just say a carrier will speed tank a sieged dread without some qualifiers.

If the carrier is very very close to the dread, and it is orbiting at max speed, then yes, it can drop its damage to practically nothing. However, that's not hugely realistic for a number of reasons.

Firstly, dropping a dread on a carrier before it is in triage is dumb. And tbh, even beyond that you shouldn't be dropping the dread until it is in triage and under some capacitor pressure, with your sub caps switching dps around and generally forcing it to run reps a lot.

Secondly, dropping a dread on a carrier at 0m is dumb. Capital blasters may not have epic range, but they have a good 20km range, and you should be seeking to drop at about 15ish km away, with the dread coming in so that anything the carrier might want to burn towards when it comes out of triage is in a straight line.

Thirdly, if your sub caps can manage to put 1 regular non pimp web on the carrier, then its ability to speed tank is greatly diminished (8k dps at 5km, 10k dps at 8km) , and with 2 webs its basically non existent (10k dps at 3km at full transversal).

Finally, a carrier would have to be totally surplus to requirements in terms of repping its subcap gang to even think about dropping out of triage and orbiting a dread thats shooting it. If the carriers reps are totally unneeded, then that means the dreads sup cap gang has failed. They are fighting against a bigger or better equipped gang that is just shrugging off its damage, and that means that the dread is probably going to die anyway because its support can't help it. The carrier has no need to be there, and so would probably be better advised to leave than to stay and orbit the dread for giggles.

So put all that together, and it tells us that while it is certainly possible to speed tank a dread in a carrier. I'm certainly not denying that. However, for a lot of reasons its not generally realistic. If a carrier is a triage and gets shot at by a singular dread, its pretty much stuck there until the fight is decided one way or the other. If it untriages at some point, it is to jump out or otherwise run away.

If the archons are tactically refitting and the other side isn't paying attention, then yes they can. And if the other side isn't bringing in a nuet domi with their support... I mean the video is pretty fail on the other side...

Dreads have become a whole lot better since the removal of the tracking penalty for siege mode. I think most people in this thread never read patch notes or something... With T2 sieges, removal of tracking penalties and the sig radius nerf to Titan XL turrets, dreads are now the blap machines against sub caps. "A Dread in Siege" is now a saying of the past...

Carrier speed tank a dread? Lawl, not anymore. Throw a web on the carrier if he even manages to get close to the dread and it is all over.

Mom's also have a huge liability with FB's. A good support fleet will completely remove FB's from the field, eliminating their dps. Hence, most Mom's have been relegated to the world of TP'ing for Titans to blap, or as fleet fixture points.

The problem with dreads now is their lack of tank and relatively poor scaling with regards to carriers, however, with newer tactics against Fighters and FB, carriers have started to lose their edge in fights as well. You will start to see alot more dreads out there since they bring alot of the blap capability of a titan without the huge liability.

He was saying that a Carrier can't tank a single dread with the type of support fleet that's likely fielded by someone who only drops one dread. This is a pair of dreads, 4 supers, and the kind of support fleet that's likely to be fielded by someone supporting a solo dread.
Sure the other side is kind of mediocre, but most people don't switch primaries when it appears that reps are having trouble keeping up with incoming dps (which is what they mean by "keeping them keen").

a dread can be used as anti capital weapons 5 dreads with the t2 siege mod are really nice especially the pheonix

my carrier tank 3 dread and cap stable

EDIT: no overheat needed



that thing can tank 40~45k dps in a few mins and cap stable

So, dreads are better than they were but still not as useful as a carrier for anything other than a POS bash?






Also, is it just me or are the Revelation and Moros just all around better than the Pheonix and Naglfar? The Revelation and Moros can do the same jobs as the Pheonix and Naglfar, but are able to blast sub caps much more effectively if circumstances permit.





I ask because I've always wanted to find a reason to buy a Naglfar but dreads in general didn't seem worth the time to train or the Isk to buy.

the problem with citadel missile is its crappy explosive radius, while rev and moros can blast the sh*t out of BS and with enough web/TP, subcap too. citadel missile can't, the only thing it can hit is anything bigger than a carrier.

otherwise, capital projectile works fine

a standard fit triage archon can tank 14k dps from moros without a single sweat, using drug