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Shadows of the Feceradtion betrays not only their own Empire but the Republic aswell

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Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#1 - 2012-05-21 20:34:45 UTC
20:00 Standard time the Shadows of the Federation, a Federation alliance, and Wolfsbrigade joined forces to make a devious pact against the Minmatar people. This is perhaps a image of things to come of Gallente and Republic relations as it is now clear that the Federation has become a puppet state to the Amarr Empire. The crux of this pact was to force the Tribal forces to abbandon efforts to take the Kamela system as the Amarr, having lost a HUGE chunk of their systems to the Tribes, now need more then their own empires forces to hold us back. There are two things that can easily be seen from these events.

One the Amarr are on the ropes and about to lose the Emperyean War and two the Federation has decided that the Empire is to big to fail. This was sell out move by Shadows and I would move all loyal Minmatar Legions to now throw their support behind the Caldari war effort in response to the actions of the Federation. I would also like to say that if this is NOT a Federation backed treasonous move by Shadows, that all Federation forces now declare war upon their treacerous brothers in arms.
Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-05-21 20:47:03 UTC
Muck Raker eat your heart out!

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#3 - 2012-05-21 20:56:14 UTC
Update it would seem that Wolfsbrigade, the primary broker of this "New Deal" with Shadows of the Federation, made this deal with a "screw the rest of Amarr" attitude where they sold out their entire Empire to save a single system that they operate out of, namley Kamela. So in effect what this means is that the Federation has aligned with a splinter element in the Empire in an effort to deny a single system from the Rusty Tide sweeping across contested space. It is sad that the Federation betrayed the Minmatar to honor a bargin with a fringe element that is obviously acting against its own Empire.
Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#4 - 2012-05-21 20:57:16 UTC
You have drawn several fallacious conclusions from an isolated incident enacted and participated in solely by individual corporations of capsuleers.

You do an extreme disservice to the Federation by claiming it is a puppet of the Empire and an even greater disservice to the Empire by claiming we need puppets to defend ourselves. You may have the upper-hand in the war effort at this time but the Empire is far from finished.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#5 - 2012-05-21 21:04:46 UTC
In case you master strategists haven't noticed, you're fighting over a back yard of largely unwanted systems seen as disposable enough by the leaders of your nations to let capsuleers run rough-shod over them. Said systems have traded hands multiple times, with no bearing on New Eden at large, no victory or defeat for any of the participant empires, and no long-term strategic or tactical goals met.

An utterly meaningless war fought over utterly useless systems. And you brag about flipping the ownership flag on a handful of those? Psh. Goonswarm managed to besiege Jita and put a big dent in the State's economy - you'll have to top them if this "war" is to go anywhere.
Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#6 - 2012-05-21 21:09:40 UTC
Sylux Raynes wrote:
You have drawn several fallacious conclusions from an isolated incident enacted and participated in solely by individual corporations of capsuleers.

You do an extreme disservice to the Federation by claiming it is a puppet of the Empire and an even greater disservice to the Empire by claiming we need puppets to defend ourselves. You may have the upper-hand in the war effort at this time but the Empire is far from finished.


You are right sir, Wolfsbrigade did enter into a diplomatic effort to have our forces look away from their system at the expense of your entire war effort, apparently thinking that they were the most important entity in your Empire. I am sorry that they have betrayed all of you and I would say that you brand them enemiesof the Empire and treat them as such.

As to the question of Shadows of the Federation I again state that this is either a prelude to changing political relations between the Republic or yet another splinter group that needs to be dealt with by their own. That being said I would think that it may be possible for Minmatar forces to join both Gallente and Amarr forces to deal with these traitors.
Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-05-21 21:09:51 UTC
I would have to contest your viewpoint, Captain Shogaatsu. The planets (and their inhabitants) are hardly inconsequential or useless and when the systems change occupancy, the planets come under the leadership (and occupancy) of the occupying power.

You also may wish to recall the Emergency Militia Powers Act which is actually responsible for the ongoing war between capsuleers loyal to their respective empires. It may not appear like much is being accomplished from the space side of things, but on the planets in those relevant systems, the constant changes in occupancy do matter and I imagine those under those conditions live very difficult lives.
Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#8 - 2012-05-21 21:13:30 UTC
Los Muertas wrote:

You are right sir, Wolfsbrigade did enter into a diplomatic effort to have our forces look away from their system at the expense of your entire war effort, apparently thinking that they were the most important entity in your Empire. I am sorry that they have betrayed all of you and I would say that you brand them enemiesof the Empire and treat them as such.

As to the question of Shadows of the Federation I again state that this is either a prelude to changing political relations between the Republic or yet another splinter group that needs to be dealt with by their own. That being said I would think that it may be possible for Minmatar forces to join both Gallente and Amarr forces to deal with these traitors.


Traitors within the Empire will be dealt with accordingly, if they are indeed traitors. I find it interesting that you would brand Wolfsbrigade traitors for using resources at their disposal to secure a system for the Empire. Furthermore, you are again attributing the actions of a single capsuleer organization to the entire Empire, Wolfsbrigade does not now, nor has it ever, spoken for the entirety of the Empire.

If you are seeking to route traitors, I would direct your pledges solely to the Republic and to the Federation, assuming the corporation your speaking of is active in the Federal Defense Union, then they have indeed turned against their nation's allies to serve personal interests. That, however, is a matter for the Federation and perhaps the Republic to deliberate over.
Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#9 - 2012-05-21 21:18:00 UTC
I would brand them as traitors as the effect of the pact was "Dont attack our one system and we will give you free reign to attack the rest of our empires systems without reprisal from us". That is Traitor acts no matter how you look at it. They sold the rest of the Amarr Militia to save their own asses.
Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-05-21 21:20:10 UTC
Los Muertas wrote:
I would brand them as traitors as the effect of the pact was "Dont attack our one system and we will give you free reign to attack the rest of our empires systems without reprisal from us". That is Traitor acts no matter how you look at it. They sold the rest of the Amarr Militia to save their own asses.



Do you have proof of this "pact?"
Vultirnus
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#11 - 2012-05-21 21:20:35 UTC
Los Muertas wrote:
it is now clear that the Federation has become a puppet state to the Amarr Empire.



You must be joking.

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Ava Starfire
Khushakor Clan
#12 - 2012-05-21 21:29:31 UTC
I hope that information, accurate information, is forthcoming quickly.

Now is a very, very terrible time for such developments, or for rampant speculation.

It appears to be an action solely arranged between Wolfsbrigade and Shadow of the Federation. Hopefully representatives of both nations will inform us in the event that this is more than a simple allegiance between two capsuleer organizations.

Matar Colonel Avlynka Surionen, Tribal Liberation Force

"There is no strength in numbers; have no such misconception." -Jayka Vofur, "Warfare in the North"

Kalaratiri
Full Broadside
Deepwater Hooligans
#13 - 2012-05-21 21:33:10 UTC
I would like the point out that Wolfsbrigade and SoTF have something of a history. They started off as enemies on opposite sides of the gallente/caldari militia conflict. As they fought, they began to get to know each other better, and even work together against third party entities such as the local pirates. After some time like this, they decided to make a move, and together created the alliance ShadowWolves.net, before moving to nullsec.

This did not work out, and SoTF returned to the Gallente militia. Wolfsbrigade joined the Amarr militia. I would not at all be surprised if some of the pilots of both entities work together occasionally. They are 'frenemies' after all.

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Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#14 - 2012-05-21 21:40:39 UTC
I should clarify that from my individual perspective, WBR promoted dishonor, disloyalty and treachery by participating in this event. Such behavior leaves me with an ill taste in my mouth, but I cannot speak on behalf of the whole Empire nor the 24IC in how this event will affect WBR in relation to them.

Proof of this pact where they state their disregard for all other systems currently being contested would help elicit a response, I imagine.
Los Muertas
HDYLTA
#15 - 2012-05-21 21:46:01 UTC
Sylux Raynes wrote:
I should clarify that from my individual perspective, WBR promoted dishonor, disloyalty and treachery by participating in this event. Such behavior leaves me with an ill taste in my mouth, but I cannot speak on behalf of the whole Empire nor the 24IC in how this event will affect WBR in relation to them.

Proof of this pact where they state their disregard for all other systems currently being contested would help elicit a response, I imagine.



I would like to commend the good sir for his ability to see reason. Proof will not be published here, that data is above my paygrade, that being said it will be available in other venues shortly. As much as I hate what Amarr stands for, I find it disgusting that anyone should be ebtrayed by their own.
Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#16 - 2012-05-22 00:02:32 UTC
Sylux Raynes wrote:
I would have to contest your viewpoint, Captain Shogaatsu. The planets (and their inhabitants) are hardly inconsequential or useless and when the systems change occupancy, the planets come under the leadership (and occupancy) of the occupying power.

You also may wish to recall the Emergency Militia Powers Act which is actually responsible for the ongoing war between capsuleers loyal to their respective empires. It may not appear like much is being accomplished from the space side of things, but on the planets in those relevant systems, the constant changes in occupancy do matter and I imagine those under those conditions live very difficult lives.


Oh I understand, I know the planets (and their ubiquitous populations of bipedal fungus) are quite important to the miserable unfortunates still trapped in their gravity wells. I also understand that having to switch between State and Federal bureaucracy every few weeks could be annoying for the little buggers. I just don't care. It's not like we're going to run out of humans, and their opinions on capsuleers are quite clear. They don't like me, and I don't like them.

What grabs my attention is the utter pointlessness of this warfare. More so however, my attention is drawn to the fact that no-one else seems to see what I see. What lasting goals have been achieved with this constant to-and-fro trading of system ownership?

You show concern for planet-dwellers and their tiny, pointless lives, so explain how you justify the loss of life of capsuleer ship crews (which are drawn from those wretched gravity-balls) on a conflict which has not achieved any goal, nor affected the political makeup of New Eden in the slightest.
Aidari Flamesight
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-05-22 00:11:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Aidari Flamesight
What would the Federation possibly have to gain from such an act? I could see a Caldari Mega-corp doing some sneaky deals with Minmatar groups for the sake of making money, however it's extremely unlikely that the Federation would gain anything from making the most minor deal with the Empire.

Considering humanitarian and military aid are still being pumped into the Republic, I find this impossible to believe. Plus, I'm sure today's training session with Gallente pilots would of been canceled if there was even the slightest reason to believe this.

"Do not count days, do not count miles, count only the number of slaves you freed."

Silas Vitalia
Doomheim
#18 - 2012-05-22 00:48:25 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:
Sylux Raynes wrote:
I would have to contest your viewpoint, Captain Shogaatsu. The planets (and their inhabitants) are hardly inconsequential or useless and when the systems change occupancy, the planets come under the leadership (and occupancy) of the occupying power.

You also may wish to recall the Emergency Militia Powers Act which is actually responsible for the ongoing war between capsuleers loyal to their respective empires. It may not appear like much is being accomplished from the space side of things, but on the planets in those relevant systems, the constant changes in occupancy do matter and I imagine those under those conditions live very difficult lives.


Oh I understand, I know the planets (and their ubiquitous populations of bipedal fungus) are quite important to the miserable unfortunates still trapped in their gravity wells. I also understand that having to switch between State and Federal bureaucracy every few weeks could be annoying for the little buggers. I just don't care. It's not like we're going to run out of humans, and their opinions on capsuleers are quite clear. They don't like me, and I don't like them.

What grabs my attention is the utter pointlessness of this warfare. More so however, my attention is drawn to the fact that no-one else seems to see what I see. What lasting goals have been achieved with this constant to-and-fro trading of system ownership?

You show concern for planet-dwellers and their tiny, pointless lives, so explain how you justify the loss of life of capsuleer ship crews (which are drawn from those wretched gravity-balls) on a conflict which has not achieved any goal, nor affected the political makeup of New Eden in the slightest.


Careful Shogaatsu, we wouldn't want the militia fighters to actually reflect on what they've been preoccupied with for the last several years.

Sabik now, Sabik forever

Istvaan Shogaatsu
Guiding Hand Social Club
#19 - 2012-05-22 01:08:44 UTC
Silas Vitalia wrote:
Careful Shogaatsu, we wouldn't want the militia fighters to actually reflect on what they've been preoccupied with for the last several years.


That's the thing. As a capsuleer, I can't imagine not remembering my greatest accomplishments. But in factional warfare, there is nothing to even accomplish in the first place. Mind you, I gave it a whirl a while ago, so it's not like I'm talking out of my arse here.
Sylux Raynes
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-05-22 01:09:20 UTC
Istvaan Shogaatsu wrote:

You show concern for planet-dwellers and their tiny, pointless lives, so explain how you justify the loss of life of capsuleer ship crews (which are drawn from those wretched gravity-balls) on a conflict which has not achieved any goal, nor affected the political makeup of New Eden in the slightest.


The loss of life is unfortunate and I mourn those who pass without being within the will of God. However, if they are crewing a ship that is fighting for a cause they believe in, they knowingly put themselves in that position and died with honor. While I will mourn their passing, I honor their decision.

If they are in it simply for the money, then again they made their choice and died following their own compass. Again, I will mourn their passing apart from God, but I honor their decision.

What you don't seem to understand is that goals are being accomplished, perhaps not as readily as we'd prefer them to and certainly not as quickly as if this war were being fought without the presence of self-proclaimed immortals, but they are being accomplished nonetheless. Those of us that fight to secure our borders and defend them from further incursion are doing all we can to bring a stalemate to the war(s) and security for those on the planets within.

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