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One Full Hour of CSM Yapping and all Irrelevant

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Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#121 - 2012-05-21 01:40:00 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Let's make Null Sec as dangerous as High Sec. Let's get rid of Local.

Local does f* for High Sec. Doesn't exist in WH. And LS is already dead. It only helps NS and is stupid.

Let us remove Local!


since nullsec is so safe why isn't hisec empty?

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#122 - 2012-05-21 01:43:12 UTC
Ioci wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
So FW finally gets some love and people cry foul. Typical.


No new content.
FW was given something they have no use for. It was taken from people who do have a use for it.

Had they given FW people a better replacement ship? I'd call that an FW buff. What CCP did is redecorate the room by moving the couch.

To the main topic line: It's called spin doctoring.

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So all the changes to system control is nothing? Even though it was one of the biggest complaints about FW. Also LP now for kills is nothing? FW really doesn't need new content, it just needs to have more of a purpose and reason for joining/fighting.

The datacore change is dumb but people are making it seem worse then what it is, since from my understanding of the dev blog it doesn't remove it from non-FW, it just nerfs the income amount a bit and boosts it for those in FW. A nerf yes, but they aren't completely removing the ability.


We will see if dock blocking is a buff to faction war or just another roadblock for the people who aren't already in control of it.


Maybe I'm dumb, but if the Minmatar take a station, why should they let Amarr affiliated players use the station?

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Ocih
Space Mermaids
#123 - 2012-05-21 19:47:28 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Ioci wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
Ocih wrote:
Brooks Puuntai wrote:
So FW finally gets some love and people cry foul. Typical.


No new content.
FW was given something they have no use for. It was taken from people who do have a use for it.

Had they given FW people a better replacement ship? I'd call that an FW buff. What CCP did is redecorate the room by moving the couch.

To the main topic line: It's called spin doctoring.

EVE Online CSM's


So all the changes to system control is nothing? Even though it was one of the biggest complaints about FW. Also LP now for kills is nothing? FW really doesn't need new content, it just needs to have more of a purpose and reason for joining/fighting.

The datacore change is dumb but people are making it seem worse then what it is, since from my understanding of the dev blog it doesn't remove it from non-FW, it just nerfs the income amount a bit and boosts it for those in FW. A nerf yes, but they aren't completely removing the ability.


We will see if dock blocking is a buff to faction war or just another roadblock for the people who aren't already in control of it.


Maybe I'm dumb, but if the Minmatar take a station, why should they let Amarr affiliated players use the station?


And if I am an Amarr pilot who thought about getting in to FW, why would I even bother if 80% of our stations are now undockable?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#124 - 2012-05-21 19:54:18 UTC
Ocih wrote:
And if I am an Amarr pilot who thought about getting in to FW, why would I even bother if 80% of our stations are now undockable?

Just all pile into the winning side. Use alts if you have to.

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Ocih
Space Mermaids
#125 - 2012-05-21 19:55:40 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ocih wrote:
And if I am an Amarr pilot who thought about getting in to FW, why would I even bother if 80% of our stations are now undockable?

Just all pile into the winning side. Use alts if you have to.


That's what I expect to happen. It won't be a faction war, it will be a min max to farming. Kind of like it is now?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#126 - 2012-05-21 19:58:11 UTC
Ocih wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Ocih wrote:
And if I am an Amarr pilot who thought about getting in to FW, why would I even bother if 80% of our stations are now undockable?

Just all pile into the winning side. Use alts if you have to.


That's what I expect to happen. It won't be a faction war, it will be a min max to farming. Kind of like it is now?

Yep, exactly.

Luv2Farm war. It's like you're actually a part of the military industrial complex.

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Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#127 - 2012-05-21 20:43:07 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Let's make Null Sec as dangerous as High Sec. Let's get rid of Local.

Local does f* for High Sec. Doesn't exist in WH. And LS is already dead. It only helps NS and is stupid.

Let us remove Local!


since nullsec is so safe why isn't hisec empty?


Because highseccers are so hardcore and elite that they choose to live in the ~danger zone~

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Talon SilverHawk
Patria o Muerte
#128 - 2012-05-21 21:50:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Talon SilverHawk
Natassia Krasnoo wrote:
So let me get this straight. You want to nerf highsec income? I'm not really sure I'm following you here. I can go out to 0.0 and make a boat load more than I ever could in highsec in about 1/8 the time. Highsec income is a GRIND most people do not enjoy, but do it because they don't have the time to devote to 0.0 life with alarm clock mando ops...etc.

0.0 income comes from ABC ores/ice/gasses, in system belts/Hidden belts(usually worth a lot more.). Higher paying or = to LVL 4 bounties in Anomalies, Complexes, and Belt rats in upgraded systems. Tech moons and other moon goo that doesn't exist in highsec. Much better PI resources. Easier access to Class 5 Wormhole content.

Highsec income comes from bottom of the barrel roids/ice/gasses. Grinding LVL 4's till you want to smash your head through the monitor at the sight of another red cross. Trading/Market games. Some FW LP(anyone willing to play FW in its current state deserves all the ISK they get and much much more IMHO). Lousy PI resources. Easy access to class 3 Wormhole content. The much debated Data Cores(not a source of good income and not exactly passive either).

Just because some people run around in 33 bil officer fit ships does not mean the average highsec player does the same. Take a look around highsec most mission runners are using T1 or sometimes a T2 BS for LVL 4's and mostly T2 or T1 fit at that. It's not often I see a T2 or Faction BS in my mission system. The most likely scenario is he sold or traded in GTC or Plex to get that fit and ship, or he RMT'ed to get it. Not all highsec dwellers are rich, some of us barely have the time to complete and salvage a couple LVL 4 missions a day. I love this game but if highsec income gets nerfed any more than it is. I'm outta here and I know I'm not alone.



Spot on. I've been saying the same for a while.

You can't force ppl into 0.0 or low sec when they don't want to be there, simple as, no more than you could convince a null sec player to move to hi sec and why should he. Nerfing hi-sec to do so in the vain belief that this will force ppl to move to low is naive. They wont move, they will leave the game.

If you want them to move then you need to entice them, make entry to low and null sec possible for solo and small groups, not just large groups and alliances.

Nerfing the crap out of hi sec won't do it. Ppl will leave.

To the null sec and low sec guys that are always saying yeah nerf hi sec thow them all into low sec, why do you care ? hi sec players don't affect you directly, they even manufacture allot of what you use, so in way are saving you from having to do stuff you have no interest in doing.

If you dump all the hi sec players into low sec or remove hi sec, you think suddenly your going lots of targets to harvest the tears from, no they'll leave and so will what makes this game great, diversity!, whether its mining, manufacturing exploration PVP, PVE and all the other things that make up this game. I don't want to just live in an Eve that consists of griefers running round in catalysts looking for unarmed miners to shoot.

The CSM thinking the new UI is a good thing, have they even looked at the test forums to see the negative feedback ?

As for the players leaving, not all the player base are a**holes and we are sorry to see you go. Good luck and hope to see you back one day.

One final thought for all those that have let us know they are leaving on these forums, how many are just going quietly ?

Tal
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#129 - 2012-05-21 22:21:10 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:
One final thought for all those that have let us know they are leaving on these forums, how many are just going quietly ?


They love to tell us they are leaving.

But later on, they're back on the forums !!

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Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#130 - 2012-05-22 10:15:38 UTC
Talon SilverHawk wrote:

One final thought for all those that have let us know they are leaving on these forums, how many are just going quietly ?

You mean how many people are not trying to bully CCP with a bluff?

I been waiting for alot of these people who claim to be emoragequiting to actually stop posting for months.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#131 - 2012-05-22 10:18:11 UTC
Dawn Flare wrote:
Talon SilverHawk wrote:

One final thought for all those that have let us know they are leaving on these forums, how many are just going quietly ?

You mean how many people are not trying to bully CCP with a bluff?

I been waiting for alot of these people who claim to be emoragequiting to actually stop posting for months.


They just won't shut up

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