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Fare thee well, Mining Frigates
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Zhu Khan
Khanid Arbitrage Incorporated
#1 - 2012-05-21 15:36:45 UTC
•Tormentor: role changed from mining to combat ship

◦New bonuses: 5% to small energy turret damage and 10% reduction to small energy weapon capacitor use per level.
◦Slot layout: 3 High, 3 Mid, 4 Low; 2 turrets and no launchers.
◦Fittings: 49 PWG, 130 CPU
◦Defense (shields / armor / hull) : 350 / 450 / 400
◦Capacitor (amount / recharge rate / cap per second): 400 / 200 s / 2
◦Mobility (max velocity / agility / mass / align time): 320 / 3.05 / 1180000 / 3.37 s
◦Drones (bandwidth / bay): 10 / 10
◦Targeting (max targeting range / Scan Resolution / Max Locked targets): 40km / 620 / 4
◦Sensor strength: 9 Radar
◦Signature radius: 35

QQ
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-05-21 16:17:11 UTC
Diversity is a bad thing! Rargh!

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#3 - 2012-05-21 16:47:39 UTC
RIP all pro pvpers who boast of impressive kills using mining frigates.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Rond Dorlezahn
State War Academy
Caldari State
#4 - 2012-05-21 17:27:17 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Diversity is a bad thing! Rargh!



Are you ACTUALLY going to pretend that people mine in frigates after their first day in EVE?

What this gives us is diversity in combat. Maybe you should've thought about this for longer than half a second.
Tor Gungnir
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#5 - 2012-05-21 18:01:58 UTC
Rond Dorlezahn wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
Diversity is a bad thing! Rargh!



Are you ACTUALLY going to pretend that people mine in frigates after their first day in EVE?

What this gives us is diversity in combat. Maybe you should've thought about this for longer than half a second.



It is a fun niche to have nontheless. We don't need more combat frigates anyway.

Space. It seems to go on and on forever. But then you get to the end and a gorilla starts throwing barrels at you.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#6 - 2012-05-21 18:06:49 UTC
Tor Gungnir wrote:
We don't need more combat frigates anyway.

We need fewer useless ships, though. One more combat ship (and more variety in combat) is better than one ship that is never used except for lolcynos.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Shan'Talasha Mea'Questa
The Perfect Harvesting Experience
#7 - 2012-05-21 18:08:23 UTC
I have very good memories of those ships, they have been very usefull back in the day.
Zhu Khan
Khanid Arbitrage Incorporated
#8 - 2012-05-21 18:17:51 UTC
I won't lie, I actually enjoyed the mining frigates to a degree (except the Tormentor which was a pain). They actually had a niche, they just sucked for their intended purpose when it took relatively little time and/or money to skill into a Cruiser and do a much better job. Now, if they would have changed the mining frigates to have a dedicated (albeit fairly small) ore hold like the Orcas, I think it would have fixed a lot of their poor utility.
Oraac Ensor
#9 - 2012-05-21 19:16:28 UTC
Rond Dorlezahn wrote:
Are you ACTUALLY going to pretend that people mine in frigates after their first day in EVE?

Well, just to be a bit pernickerty, there's no need to pretend - it actually happens. I doubt many newbies finish all the tutorials on their first day.

What I want to know is why only the Tormentor? Amarr newbies will no longer have a specialist mining frigate but the other three races will continue to have theirs.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#10 - 2012-05-21 19:18:52 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
Rond Dorlezahn wrote:
Are you ACTUALLY going to pretend that people mine in frigates after their first day in EVE?

Well, just to be a bit pernickerty, there's no need to pretend - it actually happens. I doubt many newbies finish all the tutorials on their first day.

What I want to know is why only the Tormentor? Amarr newbies will no longer have a specialist mining frigate but the other three races will continue to have theirs.

Gradual rebalancing. Doing all of them at once is a lot of a shock, and makes iteration harder.

I expect the Bantam to become a railgun sniper platform, Navitas a drone boat, and Burst a mini artillery platform. Just my 0.02 ISK.

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#11 - 2012-05-21 19:38:07 UTC
Did they change the mineral requirements for constructing this ship at all?

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Oraac Ensor
#12 - 2012-05-21 19:40:23 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
I expect the Bantam to become a railgun sniper platform, Navitas a drone boat, and Burst a mini artillery platform. Just my 0.02 ISK.

I hope you're wrong. My ribs would never survive the strain of laughing at the sight of the Navitas as a combat ship.

And the Bantam should be given to Minmatar to replace the current Burst and a new, more Caldari-like Bantam designed.
Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#13 - 2012-05-21 19:48:42 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
My ribs would never survive the strain of laughing at the sight of the Navitas as a combat ship.

I stole a Navitas from a noob and I'm keeping it in my hangar until it gets rebalanced so I can later find him and shoot him with it. Smile

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
Aulx-Gao Ekanon
#14 - 2012-05-21 19:51:21 UTC
Oraac Ensor wrote:
And the Bantam should be given to Minmatar to replace the current Burst and a new, more Caldari-like Bantam designed.


The Bantam should be given to the Minmatar for target practice. It is hideous.

_Naughty by nature, wicked by choice. _
Daniel Plain
Doomheim
#15 - 2012-05-22 01:20:16 UTC
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
We don't need more combat frigates anyway.

We need fewer useless ships, though. One more combat ship (and more variety in combat) is better than one ship that is never used except for lolcynos.

i disagree with that. it's the 'useless' ships that make the other ships seem more valuable. if you homogenize everything and anything, the game loses a lot of its depth.

I should buy an Ishtar.
FT Diomedes
The Graduates
#16 - 2012-05-22 01:20:54 UTC
Good riddance to bad rubbish!

CCP should add more NPC 0.0 space to open it up and liven things up: the Stepping Stones project.

Oraac Ensor
#17 - 2012-05-22 04:40:58 UTC
Aulx-Gao Ekanon wrote:
The Bantam should be given to the Minmatar for target practice. It is hideous.
That's why I think it would blend in well. Big smile
Maeltstome
Ten Thousand Days
#18 - 2012-05-22 14:00:13 UTC
Daniel Plain wrote:
Petrus Blackshell wrote:
Tor Gungnir wrote:
We don't need more combat frigates anyway.

We need fewer useless ships, though. One more combat ship (and more variety in combat) is better than one ship that is never used except for lolcynos.

i disagree with that. it's the 'useless' ships that make the other ships seem more valuable. if you homogenize everything and anything, the game loses a lot of its depth.


Ummm.. No. They have plenty of depth already. Depth isn't a good thing if no one uses it. Then its just chaff and needs to be separated.
Pinstar Colton
Sweet Asteroid Acres
#19 - 2012-05-22 14:35:49 UTC
There is a number of niche things they could have done for the mining frigates... like let them receive an 'asteroid core' that refines into a bunch of minerals if they are the one to pop an asteroid (that the bigger mining ships wouldn't get). That way it would reward careful mining ops so that the hulks don't pop 'roids and a player in a Burst could fly around and knock out the last little bits of asteroids to get the cores.

But I can see why they are doing this as these ships are near useless at the moment.
I'm glad I held onto my 5-run Burst BPC from my newbie missions. I might be able to manufacture them for a profit if they remake the burst into something someone might actually want to fly.

In the cat-and-mouse game that is low sec, there is no shame in learning to be a better mouse.

Petrus Blackshell
Rifterlings
#20 - 2012-05-22 14:37:44 UTC
That brings up a valid point. Are mining tutorials still going to give "mining" frigates to newbies?

Accidentally The Whole Frigate - For-newbies blog (currently on pause)
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