EVE General Discussion

Lag is the result of players forever attempting to push the envelope to get the advantage. As soon as the devs do something that ups the practical capacity of a node, alliances start bringing 10% more people then the new refinement can handle in an attempt to win the fight by superior numbers.

The problem is that Old Lag™ was (and for the moment is) inconsistent. Its a crapshoot as to whether you'll get disconnected, get your modules stuck or indeed be more or less fine other then having to wait longer for your guns to fire.

As a result, battles often got resolved through blind luck as to who got the better side of the lag coin.

TiDi solves this by allowing lag to be applied consistently across every player. With TiDi, lag will be 100% predictable. That means that if alliances want to bring so many players that the battle takes 10x longer then it should, they can. The only downside now is that the fight will take 10x longer then it should.

That's pretty ******* amazing.

My only concern is how that will affect reenforcements. For example, a mostly American alliance being attacked during euro primetime might choose to spam missiles in an attempt to *** the server into lagging so much the battle draws out until the Americans can log on and carry the fight.

Is this ok?

If you can't beat the lag, make it a feature and spread to all players equally. How ingenoius.

Just to throw in a hand grenade into the discussion....

Do the opinions expressed in this forum represent the majority of EVE subscribers?
See I find myself reading about a different game to the one I seem to be playing. The main issues seem to be regarding a relatively narrow section of the community and mostly affect very experienced players. They are very committed to the game and make up substantial (and unrepresentative?) proportion of posts on this forum.

Fairly new players I think have a completely different view of the game but they are not yet as immersed so probably don’t make up a representative proportion of forum posters. How may players will really be effected by lag during 1000 ship fleet battles?
I think CCP has to constantly keep this in mind when listening to the very vocal minority here.

I could think of better places to target CCP's limited resources.

If TiDi was all that was being done with Lag, it'd be bad.

But it's not. It's just a way to make it fairer for everyone involved. In the real world, throwing more hardware at something to make it run better isn't a viable solution. You rapidly run into diminishing returns.


Aside from that, you'll always get bigger fleets, which break bigger servers. TiDi will work on better hardware just as well as on lesser.

I must have been away from EVE too long, because I am finding it hard to believe that people can be this willfully dense. A few weeks back in the game ought to cure me of this disbelief.

:Content

Thank you for the excellent explanation and humour Tippia!



:Mildly authoritative

"Nothing is fair in love and war"

If an alliance does not have the diplomatic fortitude to acquire reliable allies from varying time zones then thhey do not win the war or hold their territory.



:Mild annoyance

You have not been around EVE for very long have you?


Slade

i was at fanfest my friend i am well aware of what's in the pipeline.

as far as the cost/performance statement, why promise what you can't deliver ?

i'm saying TiDi is a good idea, but more servers per node would be even better, but it's not going to happen because of the costs.

you did read my post before quoting me yea ?

i said it was a good idea, let me know when you understand what you've read. i'm sorry i can't say it any simpler than i did.

Only people on-grid.

Lag is a software problem, let me know when you've understood that.