EVE General Discussion

What, people don't gank to fight mudflation. My point was that ganking and PvP shouldn't be discouraged, because it helps fight mudflation. There is a distinct difference.

And, for what it's worth, some of us are arguing to make Eve more difficult for null sec and low sec players as well.

And we must according to the devs in that latest Inferno Video released 2 day or so ago ("These spectacular new missile explosions will bring even more miner tears"). We've lost.

One account expires in mere hours. Another tomorrow. The new account has still 14 days of trial and it's first paid month, and the other another paid month (from the new account creation) unfortunately.

That's 800 a year for the 4.

Money is all they will listen to now, if that.

I'm pretty interested in the funding for the highend pirates that can afford to put 10 billion at risk. I wouldn't think that ganking industrialist that don't add anything to the game could provide this kind of ISK. This kind of funding could keep noobs in free play and ships.

I may be wrong but I think most players come here as PVPers. Carebears are pilots violenced at an early age that have begun the trip out the door. The have not given up but they are beaten. EVE isn't advertised as an industrial building game. PVE as a means to an end is taught in the tutorials. The first thing I wanted to do when I came here was shoot somebody. The rules of engagement were too complex. I pushed the kid side of me back inside, rules bring out the adult in people and so I learned PVE industry since I always admired smokestacks. The tutorial, the rules, my adult side and my heritage all combined to make me into a manager CEO. Its always been a very adult pastime here at EVE. I wanted to bust lose and be a kid but It didn't make sense.

If you want to encourage pvp, it needs done in the tutorials. Concord rules were a definite problem for me as a noob. NPC corps should be at war with their opposing factions. If you want to escape war, join a corp not the other way around. make all of eve a battlefield but Boost income for noobs so the pain of loss is not so great. I know its part of the thrill but my first pvp loss took me a month and a half to acquire. I don't know where the line is at but have you run level one and two missions for a while? This toon was all about new player experience. I couldn't stand it. prices are out of balance with income. I can put a new BC together in a couple hours. a noob has to play for a couple weeks to put a nice frigate together. Balance out the prices with mineral content drops on hull bpo's. give pvp missions, and put a great bounty on them.

I CEOed 60 to a hundred, not all at once. I saw the same thing over and over. New enthusiastic guys coming in and beaten by pvp going out. Successes were too few. We replaced isk with corp ops where they were over compensated for token participation. I could not figure a way to immunize people from the pain of those first few losses. Many were traumatized for weeks, most were discouraged, only a few learned to shrug it off, then they faded away. I kept touch with the guys, The pirates left, the warriors left, scammers left, two missioners stayed till the last nerfs, one miner with a military background carries on the dream in null, and one faction warfare.

All that stayed had similar characteristics, we all took care of each other. CAREBEARS at heart stayed. Fathers, older brothers, commanders and supervisors in real life. Many ridicule these people but If I started a corp today they would be my directors, not the pvpers. I would not care. I'd run through PVP'ers like a meat-grinder if I could find a way to fund it that hasn't been nerfed to death.

No offense but I find it funny how many Chuck Norris wannabes on the forums try to figure out how to make EVERYONE do pvp... or try to figure out why they don't.

Answer is pretty simple, some people simply don't like it, and they don't have to just because you want them to.

End of story pretty much.

This is so psychotically wrong, there is just something wrong with you at a fundamental level. I can't even read the rest.

Now THAT is silly of them indeed.

Anyway, what these "PvP or ELSE" folks do not seem to understand is that some people actually have (shocker!) Lives.

They just do not have the time for the coordination of fleets, battles, waiting at gates, and all the other stuff that goes into true combat scenarios. Much less Alarm Clock Ops. That stuff is pretty much expected of those who participate. These people will NEVER never get involved.

If cCP has determined that this is not the case and all must participate in this in some manner, that's fine. But they need to plan on a flood of unsubscriptions, and to STOP ADVERTISING EVE AS A SANDBOX.

Then there would be no issue.

That makes no sense after what I typed. I quite clearly do. Even agreeing that it's silly to expect safety in Low Sec. So.........???????

You insinuate that some players, due to a lack of time or effort, should be able to be left exempt from the risk of PvP. This constitutes segregation of PvE and PvP, and is anathema to the ideals of the sand box MMO design philosophy.

The below quote shows that what you believe to be a "sand box MMO" is actually a themepark MMO:


I suspect that at some point someone has said to you that in a sand box MMO you are free to do what you wish, and that you have chosen to interpret this as meaning that players are free to engage in PvE without the risk of intervention.

This is simply a matter of semantics, a common misconception on the definition of sand box style game play. What is actually meant is that in a sand box MMO environment everyone is free to do as they wish within the confines of the game's mechanics and design, but that design is guided by ideals that interlink PvP and PvE in a way that allows players to interact freely.

What is actually meant when people say "players can do as they wish", is that players can interact with one another as they wish. Including interacting by interrupting the game play of other players.

This is a perfect description of Eve online's core game design philosophy, and as such CCP are perfectly valid when advertising their product using such a term.

I haven't seen any comment on my idea to turn NPC corps into warring factions. I know fabulaoso quit reading my drivel because my cynicism was to veiled but

lets do a What if.

What if all noobs were plunged into war at the outset.

What if skill points PUSHED you into different rank npc corps, we already have dozens within a faction.

What if, you could escape war by joining a player corp

What if noob npc corps could agress experienced corps but not the other way around?

Then I would roll 6 low SP rifter alts, install synergy and go on a rampage.