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Dreads.. so what use are they now ?
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Br4inz
J909 Industrial Services
#1 - 2012-05-17 09:35:10 UTC
Just come back to the game after a fairly long break, got a dread sitting about, are these only used for pos bashing stil ?

is so its gona get sold/refined cos no way im coming back to eve to shoot pos =p
Capt Retard
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#2 - 2012-05-17 09:38:32 UTC
yup - pos bashing .. they had their siege cycle halved, so a bit less crispy.
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-05-17 09:42:04 UTC
Br4inz wrote:
Just come back to the game after a fairly long break, got a dread sitting about, are these only used for pos bashing stil ?

is so its gona get sold/refined cos no way im coming back to eve to shoot pos =p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ti9DFeRMI
Br4inz
J909 Industrial Services
#4 - 2012-05-17 10:04:39 UTC
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Br4inz wrote:
Just come back to the game after a fairly long break, got a dread sitting about, are these only used for pos bashing stil ?

is so its gona get sold/refined cos no way im coming back to eve to shoot pos =p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ti9DFeRMI


lol that made me chuckle
wallenbergaren
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#5 - 2012-05-17 11:18:17 UTC
Use them for POS shoots, shooting POCOs, quick ganks and in WH space you can PvE with them.
Gibbo3771
AQUILA INC
Verge of Collapse
#6 - 2012-05-17 11:22:03 UTC
Wh sites, collapsing wh, ganking other idiots in wh sites.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#7 - 2012-05-17 16:09:47 UTC
Sell them, they're worth more than what you bought them for.
ELECTR0FREAK
#8 - 2012-05-17 17:22:40 UTC
Dreads really should be an anti-capital weapon... it's a shame they're not very effective at it.

Granted, it's been a while since I got rid of my Revelation, but it's kinda sad when a typical Carrier has no trouble tanking a DPS-fit Dread.

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Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-05-17 20:23:49 UTC
ELECTR0FREAK wrote:
Dreads really should be an anti-capital weapon... it's a shame they're not very effective at it.

Granted, it's been a while since I got rid of my Revelation, but it's kinda sad when a typical Carrier has no trouble tanking a DPS-fit Dread.



Since when?

A typical carrier can "easily" tank 90K shots from Moros with support fleet? -excuse me if I have some hard time believing you.

brb
Noisrevbus
#10 - 2012-05-17 21:34:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Noisrevbus
Looking at the comments in the video Mfume linked: Someone asked why more people don't "do this", and got the reply that usually you just get counter-dropped.

That's pretty amusing, as one of the reasons more people began using them again, and have done so for a good while now, is that they have been an "affordable" option in the supercapital paradigm.

Even more groups have caught on now with the Crucible changes and the "blapping" trend, but even prior to that they had their application in anti-super blitzes where you could cut your losses when batphoned and escalated (assuming you're in a corp that would consider 3-10b on the stake well worth it to get a goodfight [super kill]).

Most level-scaled engagements contain Dreads today, to contend with triage and deal with random supers.

Once you hit that infamous "blob barrier", again, piling on supers with superior HP-pools just become better. Critical mass and all that once more Roll.
Ashera Yune
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-05-18 00:27:08 UTC
Dreads + Doomsday = 2+ billion isk instant easy killmail for Titan Pilot

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Drakarin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#12 - 2012-05-20 09:40:43 UTC
ELECTR0FREAK wrote:
Dreads really should be an anti-capital weapon... it's a shame they're not very effective at it.

Granted, it's been a while since I got rid of my Revelation, but it's kinda sad when a typical Carrier has no trouble tanking a DPS-fit Dread.


How is this the case, though? Looking at the video posted in this thread, the Dreadnaught was doing an actual dps of at least 10,000 assuming he did not miss, which he won't against a slow moving ultra large ship like a carrier.

So why aren't they effective anti capital ships?
Baneken
Arctic Light Inc.
Arctic Light
#13 - 2012-05-20 11:48:07 UTC
Drakarin wrote:
ELECTR0FREAK wrote:
Dreads really should be an anti-capital weapon... it's a shame they're not very effective at it.

Granted, it's been a while since I got rid of my Revelation, but it's kinda sad when a typical Carrier has no trouble tanking a DPS-fit Dread.


How is this the case, though? Looking at the video posted in this thread, the Dreadnaught was doing an actual dps of at least 10,000 assuming he did not miss, which he won't against a slow moving ultra large ship like a carrier.

So why aren't they effective anti capital ships?


Because of siege and that mom's had an equal/better DPS with E-war immunity and that FB's had no problems what so ever at dealing that same 10k dps on sub-capitals as well as capitals.
Now that super caps are least somewhat toned down regular caps, or rather their sub-capital support fleets, aren't as vulnerable as they used to.
Reppyk
The Black Shell
#14 - 2012-05-20 12:21:15 UTC
ELECTR0FREAK wrote:
Granted, it's been a while since I got rid of my Revelation, but it's kinda sad when a typical Carrier has no trouble tanking a DPS-fit Dread.
Tell me how you tank the 14,000 dps from a moros.
Oh wait, you can't.

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Drakarin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-05-20 12:55:56 UTC  |  Edited by: Drakarin
Baneken wrote:
Drakarin wrote:
ELECTR0FREAK wrote:
Dreads really should be an anti-capital weapon... it's a shame they're not very effective at it.

Granted, it's been a while since I got rid of my Revelation, but it's kinda sad when a typical Carrier has no trouble tanking a DPS-fit Dread.


How is this the case, though? Looking at the video posted in this thread, the Dreadnaught was doing an actual dps of at least 10,000 assuming he did not miss, which he won't against a slow moving ultra large ship like a carrier.

So why aren't they effective anti capital ships?


Because of siege and that mom's had an equal/better DPS with E-war immunity and that FB's had no problems what so ever at dealing that same 10k dps on sub-capitals as well as capitals.
Now that super caps are least somewhat toned down regular caps, or rather their sub-capital support fleets, aren't as vulnerable as they used to.


Hmm that's interesting.

I thought Dreadnaughts were immune to ewar.. that's an insanely ridiculous vulnerability for such a gargantuan and expensive ship. also can be one shot from a Titan. Ouch.

I'm not sure the doomsday device change was actually good. It made sub caps more effective but made non supercaps pointless since they can be instantly destroyed. I believe carriers and dreads were able to tank the previous doomsday right?

Reppyk wrote:
ELECTR0FREAK wrote:
Granted, it's been a while since I got rid of my Revelation, but it's kinda sad when a typical Carrier has no trouble tanking a DPS-fit Dread.
Tell me how you tank the 14,000 dps from a moros.
Oh wait, you can't.


What is amazing is the effecitve HP of a Titan can be in the 70 million if I recall, so it takes about an hour and 20 minutes for a single Dread to destroy one.

Damn, at least titans truly do have a hell of a buffer. I'd expect nothing less from a ship that technically is worth 4,000$ USD.
Lunkwill Khashour
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#16 - 2012-05-20 14:48:16 UTC
Drakarin wrote:


I thought Dreadnaughts were immune to ewar.. that's an insanely ridiculous vulnerability for such a gargantuan and expensive ship. also can be one shot from a Titan. Ouch.


What is amazing is the effecitve HP of a Titan can be in the 70 million if I recall


Dreads are immune in siege mode. Amarr/Caldari Moms can/have similar buffer to titans.
Rroff
Antagonistic Tendencies
#17 - 2012-05-20 15:00:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Rroff
Reppyk wrote:
ELECTR0FREAK wrote:
Granted, it's been a while since I got rid of my Revelation, but it's kinda sad when a typical Carrier has no trouble tanking a DPS-fit Dread.
Tell me how you tank the 14,000 dps from a moros.
Oh wait, you can't.


A well fit carrier with ganglinks and boosters can easily tank 14k dps. Throwing neuts into the mix changes it a bit but thats another story.

A mildly pimped archon with legion links, exile and overheating can tank more than twice that for a couple of minutes or so and 25-28k dps sustained.

Chimeras while less used in k-space warfare can tank upto 60-70K when moderatly pimped for short bursts and again can tank 25-28K dps sustained. (Even a strictly T2 fit can tank well over 16K dps sustained).

I think the balance is pretty good tho in that you need heavy neuting + 1 moros or 2-3 moros to break a carrier a carrier should be able to sustain quite a bit of damage for awhile.
Wyte Ragnarok
#18 - 2012-05-20 16:09:53 UTC  |  Edited by: Wyte Ragnarok
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Br4inz wrote:
Just come back to the game after a fairly long break, got a dread sitting about, are these only used for pos bashing stil ?

is so its gona get sold/refined cos no way im coming back to eve to shoot pos =p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ti9DFeRMI


Regarding that video: how do get this?
Because when I hover over someone's ship, it's all in white. I like multi-colours. And it'd make it easier to find ship types out. I've never seen an option to enable "multicoloured tags or something"
Mfume Apocal
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-05-20 16:41:39 UTC
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:
Regarding that video: how do get this?
Because when I hover over someone's ship, it's all in white. I like multi-colours. And it'd make it easier to find ship types out. I've never seen an option to enable "multicoloured tags or something"


It's from a UI customization site that's no longer around, basically just playing around with the text files to add color tags. Unfortunately I don't know where to find it anymore ((

Reppyk wrote:
Tell me how you tank the 14,000 dps from a moros.
Oh wait, you can't.


Triaged Archon + 2 local reppers + 2x EANMs + Damnation bonuses = 14k DPS tanked (before heat or exile). It's cap stable doing that btw. Overheated w/ strong exile, it's about 25k DPS tanked.
Billy Kidd
Breaking Plaid
#20 - 2012-05-20 17:27:37 UTC
Wyte Ragnarok wrote:
Mfume Apocal wrote:
Br4inz wrote:
Just come back to the game after a fairly long break, got a dread sitting about, are these only used for pos bashing stil ?

is so its gona get sold/refined cos no way im coming back to eve to shoot pos =p


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=R2ti9DFeRMI


Regarding that video: how do get this?
Because when I hover over someone's ship, it's all in white. I like multi-colours. And it'd make it easier to find ship types out. I've never seen an option to enable "multicoloured tags or something"


Export your current overview settings. Find the exported XML file under in the documents/EVE/Overview folder. Manipulate the XML file and import it back into EVE.

http://forum.eveuniversity.org/viewtopic.php?f=29&t=49396
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