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CSM Member Issler Dainze: A Threat To The Legitimacy of the CSM and All of Lowsec

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Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#401 - 2012-05-20 11:00:20 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Issler and others have legitimate concerning; what happens to EVE when one overpowering entity is allowed to bully the weak with impunity?

Darwinism happens.
Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#402 - 2012-05-20 11:05:50 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
Eve is the worst of human nature allowed to flourish. Even sadder is CCP's propensity to squash Goon's competition, see drone loot nerfs, selective bot reduction and BoB's downfall.

So what you're saying is, we're devswarm federation, and we've all been given our own personal sabre bpo?

why else would we want all that tech, if we didn't also control all the T2 BPOs?
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#403 - 2012-05-20 11:07:51 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:

200,000 years of homo sapien history and nothing has changed. Those with the resources always bully those without and then tell those without to HTFU.



Called "Survival of the Fittest". It's genetically programmed. The Strong will always destroy the Weak, because the Weak endanger the gene pool for that species.



Mr Kidd wrote:


Eve is the worst of human nature allowed to flourish.


Pretty sure every Pay2Play MMO brings out the 'self-entitlement' in people.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#404 - 2012-05-20 11:10:13 UTC
Dyner wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
hey get wis on full throttle again, pvp flags, subs will triple right dmc?



PVP Fire Fights in stations would be pretty awesome....but only if was had moves like jumping over crates and ducking behind consoles.

---

I do like how people complain about EVE having PVP.

So I'll spell it out.

****WITS, EVE IS A PVP GAME, YOU JOINED A PVP GAME, SHUT THE **** UP AND LEAVE IF YOU DON'T LIKE PVP.

Mind you these are the same types that join WoW's PVP Servers then complain how a rogue ganked them while they were questing. Then go complain on the forums.

....in both cases they never explain why they wanted to play a PVP-enabled Game, when they hate PVP.


I personally, think CCP should make another shard that's PVE-only. I know, I know, "Dyner, wtf?!"

But think about it, these ingrates have no idea how much EVE lacks in PVE content. Maybe when they see the PVP Shard getting all these new things (good example would be the Factional Warfare, that is strictly PVP so it would not exist on the PVE Shard). Not to mention most of the ships become useless in a PVE-only environment (Caps, eWars, Bombers, Speed Tanks, to name a few).

Quote:
So, when they are left with:

#Missions:
-Mining
-NPC Combat
-Pickup & Delivery
(I can't think of any other Mission Types that I've gotten)

#Mining

#Rat & Drone Hunting

#Incursions

#Planetary Interaction (minus any PVP content)

#Partial Player-made Content (ie lotteries)


Meanwhile, we (PVP Shard) have all the above plus:

#Fleet Battles

#Faction Warfare (yeah, yeah, it's a joke atm)

#Hulkageddon

#Planetary Interaction (with PVP content, that may come when Dust hits....Planetary Bombardment?)

#FULL PLAYER-made CONTENT!!!!!!!!!!! (ie 'Alliance Tournament'-style fights)



They'll realize just how stupid they were.



....no wait, they'd probably just come back to the forums and QQ that CCP doesn't develop content for them. (U-z LIEK RADEZ, YAZ?)


You're just giving them ideas now, please don't encourage them Twisted

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#405 - 2012-05-20 11:20:52 UTC
Actually, I feel the need to do his post proper justice.

Mr Kidd wrote:
see drone loot nerfs

You mean the nerfs which seems to have made mining actually worthwhile again? Yes, that was definitely done to dismantle "our enemies". We were literally ready to crap our pants before that nerf went through. Literally.

Mr Kidd wrote:
selective bot reduction

Huh. I keep seeing posts claiming anything from "goons are nothing but botters", "just look at how heavily the goons were affected by the bot bannings" etc. It would be nice if you people could make up your minds, thanks.

Mr Kidd wrote:
BoB's downfall.

CCP did that for us? Interesting.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#406 - 2012-05-20 11:38:52 UTC
Serge Bastana wrote:

You're just giving them ideas now, please don't encourage them Twisted


Encourage CCP, or the Carebears? Ugh
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#407 - 2012-05-20 11:41:49 UTC
Dyner wrote:
Serge Bastana wrote:

You're just giving them ideas now, please don't encourage them Twisted


Encourage CCP, or the Carebears? Ugh


I meant the latter, CCP don't need any Lol

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#408 - 2012-05-20 11:48:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Malcanis
Mr Kidd wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
]
You people outnumber us. You don't like us? Gang up and do something about it. Harden the **** up, *****.


You must be a goon or their pet.


Well spotted, sir!

Mr Kidd wrote:

Even sadder is CCP's propensity to squash Goon's competition, see drone loot nerfs,


So let me get this straight: Goons make a point of never mining, and import virtually all their minerals and ships. You assert that CCP decide to help them out by removing the largest source of non-mined minerals, thus causing mineral prices to skyrocket. I'm trying to decide whether this makes you sound crazy or just plain dumb - help me out here.

Mr Kidd wrote:
selective bot reduction


I suppose that asking for any actual data here would be a waste of my time? Please cite your source.

Mr Kidd wrote:
and BoB's downfall.


And CCP had what to do with BoB's downfall exactly? If you know something here, why aren't you reporting it to IA? How did CCP remove BoB for goons, exactly?

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#409 - 2012-05-20 12:07:29 UTC
Malcanis wrote:
Mr Kidd wrote:
and BoB's downfall.

And CCP had what to do with BoB's downfall exactly? If you know something here, why aren't you reporting it to IA? How did CCP remove BoB for goons, exactly?

This has to be one of my favorite assertions so far in this thread. BoB, the alliance that was KNOWN to have a large number of devs in it at the time, to the point they had a nickname calling them such, was overthrown by Goons with dev help.

It wasn't that goons were good at getting spys in, or corrupting their membership into hitting the disband button. It was because devs(who were mostly in BoB) overthrew BoB for them. Lol
RDevz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#410 - 2012-05-20 12:14:26 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

As for jury-rigging the votes and elections with mass amounts of throwaway alts, that was proven to be very effective by your comrades, the GSF.


Whoa there not-an-Issler-alt. You're claiming that Mittens' mandate of 10,058 votes was achieved through throwaway alts? Let's do some basic mathematics.

Voting requires you to have an active account that's older than 30 days that is subscribed. You get one vote per account. Assume for a second that 5,000 "Vote Mittens" accounts were registered, and that the remaining 5,058 votes came from his closes friends and allies. This would then require either 5,000 PLEX, or 5,000 one-off subscription payments of $14.95. This is either $74,750 in cash, or (at 450m ISK / PLEX at pre-fanfest prices) 2.25 trillion ISK.

Ponder those numbers for a second, and recognise the sheer absurdity of what you're claiming.

~
mmorpg lol
State War Academy
Caldari State
#411 - 2012-05-20 12:37:15 UTC
Dyner wrote:
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
hey get wis on full throttle again, pvp flags, subs will triple right dmc?



PVP Fire Fights in stations would be pretty awesome....but only if was had moves like jumping over crates and ducking behind consoles.

---

I do like how people complain about EVE having PVP.

So I'll spell it out.

****WITS, EVE IS A PVP GAME, YOU JOINED A PVP GAME, SHUT THE **** UP AND LEAVE IF YOU DON'T LIKE PVP.

Mind you these are the same types that join WoW's PVP Servers then complain how a rogue ganked them while they were questing. Then go complain on the forums.

....in both cases they never explain why they wanted to play a PVP-enabled Game, when they hate PVP.


I personally, think CCP should make another shard that's PVE-only. I know, I know, "Dyner, wtf?!"

But think about it, these ingrates have no idea how much EVE lacks in PVE content. Maybe when they see the PVP Shard getting all these new things (good example would be the Factional Warfare, that is strictly PVP so it would not exist on the PVE Shard). Not to mention most of the ships become useless in a PVE-only environment (Caps, eWars, Bombers, Speed Tanks, to name a few).

Quote:
So, when they are left with:

#Missions:
-Mining
-NPC Combat
-Pickup & Delivery
(I can't think of any other Mission Types that I've gotten)

#Mining

#Rat & Drone Hunting

#Incursions

#Planetary Interaction (minus any PVP content)

#Partial Player-made Content (ie lotteries)


Meanwhile, we (PVP Shard) have all the above plus:

#Fleet Battles

#Faction Warfare (yeah, yeah, it's a joke atm)

#Hulkageddon

#Planetary Interaction (with PVP content, that may come when Dust hits....Planetary Bombardment?)

#FULL PLAYER-made CONTENT!!!!!!!!!!! (ie 'Alliance Tournament'-style fights)



They'll realize just how stupid they were.



....no wait, they'd probably just come back to the forums and QQ that CCP doesn't develop content for them. (U-z LIEK RADEZ, YAZ?)


You missed the fact that they'd have to remove the market as well, except for npc sell and buy orders. Otherwise, all the fights will happen in the market.
Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#412 - 2012-05-20 12:39:26 UTC
mmorpg lol wrote:

You missed the fact that they'd have to remove the market as well, except for npc sell and buy orders. Otherwise, all the fights will happen in the market.

also, make all resources infinite, or people would fight over ho could strip the other person out of their ability to mine belts.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#413 - 2012-05-20 12:57:21 UTC
RDevz wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

As for jury-rigging the votes and elections with mass amounts of throwaway alts, that was proven to be very effective by your comrades, the GSF.


Whoa there not-an-Issler-alt. You're claiming that Mittens' mandate of 10,058 votes was achieved through throwaway alts? Let's do some basic mathematics.

Voting requires you to have an active account that's older than 30 days that is subscribed. You get one vote per account. Assume for a second that 5,000 "Vote Mittens" accounts were registered, and that the remaining 5,058 votes came from his closes friends and allies. This would then require either 5,000 PLEX, or 5,000 one-off subscription payments of $14.95. This is either $74,750 in cash, or (at 450m ISK / PLEX at pre-fanfest prices) 2.25 trillion ISK.

Ponder those numbers for a second, and recognise the sheer absurdity of what you're claiming.


Whilst such a claim may seem absurd, one must bear Holmes' dictum in mind: "When you have eliminated the impossible, what remains is the truth, however improbable".

And it is, of course, impossible that more actul players wanted to vote for The Mittani than Issler Dainze.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Scatim Helicon
State War Academy
Caldari State
#414 - 2012-05-20 13:18:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Scatim Helicon
Obviously the CCP Illuminati Lizardpeople deployed their mind-control lasers from their secret moonbase to force the thousands of Issler supporters to click the wrong button and register a vote for The Mittani.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

Every time you post a WiS thread, Hilmar strangles a kitten.
Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#415 - 2012-05-20 13:30:47 UTC
Scatim Helicon wrote:
Obviously the CCP Illuminati Lizardpeople deployed their mind-control lasers from their secret moonbase to force the thousands of Issler supporters to click the wrong button and register a vote for The Mittani.

WAKE UP SHEEPLE

Time to call in the crabpeople to fight the lizardpeople!
Seleene
Body Count Inc.
Mercenary Coalition
#416 - 2012-05-20 13:40:53 UTC
Is this thread still a thing? Exactly how mad is everyone?

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Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#417 - 2012-05-20 13:46:01 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Is this thread still a thing? Exactly how mad is everyone?

Mad enough to unleash the wrath of the CrabPeople!!!! Cool
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#418 - 2012-05-20 13:47:22 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Is this thread still a thing? Exactly how mad is everyone?


burf blurf the CSM doesn't represent my slactivist constituancy CCP are all goonswarm members useless PR exercise nothing much happening in EVE today rabble rabble

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#419 - 2012-05-20 13:50:32 UTC
Seleene wrote:
Is this thread still a thing? Exactly how mad is everyone?

I'm not sure, I think some more of Issler's POSes should be blown up to gauge the levels of mad.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#420 - 2012-05-20 13:53:05 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Seleene wrote:
Is this thread still a thing? Exactly how mad is everyone?

I'm not sure, I think some more of Issler's POSes should be blown up to gauge the levels of mad.

though since THE ENTIRE CSM is doing it, better get a different csm member's alliance to do it this time

what's two step's wormhole corp up to