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What is the Best ship to use for WH sites?

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Starrian Sha-wing
Distant Light Syndicate
#1 - 2012-05-18 01:03:29 UTC
Let's say either solo or in fleet, what ship is preferred to use for c-2 to c-4 WH sites?

I'm thinking a Legion, but is there something else better? Looking for help from experienced Pilots!

Thanks!
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#2 - 2012-05-18 01:27:24 UTC
Similar to Legion.......... Tengu
Sup B1tches
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#3 - 2012-05-18 01:42:01 UTC
Tengu... or a Geddon maybe for something cheaper
Devai Starchild
Starchild Engineering
#4 - 2012-05-18 05:20:23 UTC
Drake can do C2, possibly C3 solo.

Tengu can do C3 solo.

Multiple of the above will probably be needed for C4.

Kaaeliaa
Tyrannos Sunset
#5 - 2012-05-18 06:27:17 UTC
Good ships:

Tengu,
Tengu,

and...

Tengu.

If you find a site too hard, add more RR Tengus. Cool

"Do not lift the veil. Do not show the door. Do not split the dream."

Euthen Arran
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-05-19 14:50:10 UTC
Local rep Legion is very good at c3 and below, no sites it can't complete solo.
Jiska Ensa
Estrale Frontiers
#7 - 2012-05-19 15:03:02 UTC
I've watched a faction-fit legion die to c3 sites.

Use a tengu.
Euthen Arran
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-05-19 16:35:05 UTC
I know of Tengus that have died to C3 sites also. A local-rep Legion is perfectly acceptable as a C3 solo ship and is good for people who prefer armour tanking (especially considering how annoying a proteus is to use in sites).

Of course using a ship that's more complex than loltengu does take some brain power - like maybe reading up on sites/triggers and possibly popping a few triggers early to avoid effects you don't like. Might also mean you have to - gasp - manage your cap vs incoming dps.

But hay, easymode is the way to play games amirite??
Liang Nuren
No Salvation
Divine Damnation
#9 - 2012-05-20 06:14:54 UTC
I was pulling somewhere on the order of 120-150M/hr with a Sleipnir/Noctis combo in a C2. Don't follow the herd if you don't want to.

-Liang

I'm an idiot, don't mind me.

Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#10 - 2012-05-20 07:15:40 UTC
Jiska Ensa wrote:
I've watched a faction-fit legion die to c3 sites.

Use a tengu.


And I watched 4-bil deadspace Tengu die in C2 because pilot was an idiot.

Tengu is very good in c1-c3.
Legion is fun for c2/c3 ( need to be careful in some c3 sites ).
Proteus is also fun to fly in c2/c3 , you just need to learn how to fly it effectively ( that takes some time ).
Sleipnir is very good in c2 and can also do c3 ( need to be careful here ).
For fleet - using RR TengusUgh is the easiest way.

If you like Legion - fly it. Just mind the triggers and you will be fine ( up to c3 ).
Drakarin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-05-20 08:09:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Drakarin
Euthen Arran wrote:
I know of Tengus that have died to C3 sites also. A local-rep Legion is perfectly acceptable as a C3 solo ship and is good for people who prefer armour tanking (especially considering how annoying a proteus is to use in sites).

Of course using a ship that's more complex than loltengu does take some brain power - like maybe reading up on sites/triggers and possibly popping a few triggers early to avoid effects you don't like. Might also mean you have to - gasp - manage your cap vs incoming dps.

But hay, easymode is the way to play games amirite??


There is difficulty and skill in knowing when to use something, and knowing more about the game. But then, some people prefer skill as in faster reflexes, knowing when to pull the trigger and where to aim; but eve has absolutely nothing to satisfy the latter group; so yes, for people like that a simple Tengu is better. It's not fun having to manage a ship like a business constantly. Not for me, nor for a lot of other people.

Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:
Jiska Ensa wrote:
I've watched a faction-fit legion die to c3 sites.

Use a tengu.


And I watched 4-bil deadspace Tengu die in C2 because pilot was an idiot.

Tengu is very good in c1-c3.
Legion is fun for c2/c3 ( need to be careful in some c3 sites ).
Proteus is also fun to fly in c2/c3 , you just need to learn how to fly it effectively ( that takes some time ).
Sleipnir is very good in c2 and can also do c3 ( need to be careful here ).
For fleet - using RR TengusUgh is the easiest way.

If you like Legion - fly it. Just mind the triggers and you will be fine ( up to c3 ).


How does that even happen? I could trigger everything in most C3 sites and tank it without moving, as long as my modules are on. The only way you could die in a C2 with a faction // deadspace fit tengu is if you forget to turn on your modules or get attacked by other players.
TomyLobo
U2EZ
#12 - 2012-05-20 08:13:24 UTC
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Tomcio FromFarAway
Singularity's Edge
#13 - 2012-05-20 08:51:51 UTC
Drakarin wrote:

How does that even happen? I could trigger everything in most C3 sites and tank it without moving, as long as my modules are on. The only way you could die in a C2 with a faction // deadspace fit tengu is if you forget to turn on your modules or get attacked by other players.


Tomcio FromFarAway wrote:

....because pilot was an idiot.


I said he had it deadspace pimped. I didn't say what mods did he use.Lol

EvE lacks many things but it certainly doesn't lack stupidity.
Euthen Arran
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-05-20 10:26:05 UTC
Quote:
There is difficulty and skill in knowing when to use something, and knowing more about the game. But then, some people prefer skill as in faster reflexes, knowing when to pull the trigger and where to aim; but eve has absolutely nothing to satisfy the latter group; so yes, for people like that a simple Tengu is better. It's not fun having to manage a ship like a business constantly. Not for me, nor for a lot of other people.



If flying something that involves a little more than Lock target and press F1 is "having to manage a ship like a business constantly" to you then I really don't know what to say.

Do you even use d-scan? Cos, ya know, that's just insane micromanagement.
Drakarin
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#15 - 2012-05-20 11:09:38 UTC  |  Edited by: Drakarin
Of course I use it, but not because I find it enjoyable (UI is not very pretty, there's no interactivity or skill involved in your personal abilities, you just push a button and up comes the information you need).

The only skill involved using it is in finding specific ships which is a bit fun because it;s at least somewhat interactive (having to orient the camera to a certain angle). I just feel like it could be much more.

Like I said, EvE brings nothing to the table for people who like action involving more than spreadsheets and precise calculations and information management.

It's one reason why soloing is very hard and rarely done; because no matter how smart you are there's a peak at which that intelligence does not translate into winning against multiple people, or even against the same foe who just happened to fit the counter to what you're using.

Unlike in a game like Tribes Ascend, where a skilled player can literally fight 4-5 people and come out victorious through his own twitch based skill.

The extremely precise nature of the game encourages team based gameplay to ensure you can win. Fights are almost always decided prior to engagement. If you punched in the offensive and defensive numbers of all ships and their speeds, signature radius, and other information; into a powerful computer, it would easily be able to determine who'd be the victor.

You NEVER know who will win in a game like Tribes.

Don't think though, that I don't enjoy EvE, I merely wish that it had something more. Like everything in this game it's specialized.

I think the problem, what makes me a bit annoyed, is there isn't a single game in the known universe that is like what I want. That's a terrible place to be in, to want something desperately that doesn't even exist.
Ryday
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-05-20 11:52:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Ryday
Tengu is best in C4 solo. It can kill any size ship at 0 to 100 km, it can tank for about 2B isk, and it can remain outside of BS neut range.

A solo hac will work in a C2 and a command ship for a C3.
Euthen Arran
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-05-20 12:27:31 UTC
Quote:
Like I said, EvE brings nothing to the table for people who like action involving more than spreadsheets and precise calculations and information management.

It's one reason why soloing is very hard and rarely done; because no matter how smart you are there's a peak at which that intelligence does not translate into winning against multiple people, or even against the same foe who just happened to fit the counter to what you're using.

Unlike in a game like Tribes Ascend, where a skilled player can literally fight 4-5 people and come out victorious through his own twitch based skill.


http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=VPzwD7-1Rtc


yeah...all fights are predetermined by the numbers...

There's a lot of player skill involved in soloing, although I agree that a lot of it is in the planning. But to say that how you handle triggers depending on the ship you're flying, how much cap you have vs how many neuts on the field etc, requires no skill is foolish. Even something as simple as killing all web rats causing an early trigger but gaining enough speed tank to handle the spawn.

Sounds like you've been flying the ultra-boring tengu for too long.
Lustralis
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-05-20 19:29:56 UTC
Jiska Ensa wrote:
I've watched a faction-fit legion die to c3 sites.

Use a tengu.


Huh? Dumb pilot I suspect. I regularly do C3's in a faction fit legion. It's a great ship for them. Most people commenting on this have never flown one.