EVE General Discussion

Step 1: Let us put the overview, chat, fleet window etc. on one screen and the unobstructed beauty of space on another screen. (yes it has been said often, I forget why we can't but we'd never ever get the ship hangar back, it was impossible.... yet here it is!) This lets us see all of that hard work you guys put into the art direction and lets you put in larger interface items with the extra screen space. People with one monitor can always deal with the same clutter as before, you can even give them a small buttons option.

Step 2: Condense windows and remove silly clicks. Like combining the wallet with the market screen. I always have both open when trading but you could combine all of the things I need to see into one window. Put my orders in a tab like the quick tab, put my wallet balance in an empty space, add the journal and transactions tab and we have already killed some clutter!

Not a step but an observation: Somebody decided all windows in EvE should be tall and super skinny. I can't think of any interfaces lauded for usability that rely on very tiny buttons and huge amounts of scrolling. A prime example is looking at info for a ship. Take the Nyx for example. The window for it only needs to be about 300 pixels wide but about 2000-2500 pixels long. Sure this makes adding things very easy, just add more rows! But that's not a professional solution and it isn't going to retain new players.

It's not particularly hard to do, you just can't constantly choose the easy route and come out with a quality product.

You seem to be under the impression that I have several months spare to come up with an entirely new UI. Go through my post history and you will see I have made MANY MANY UI proposals.

The fact that I have made so many led me to a conclusion, THE WHOLE THING NEEDS DOING! I believe I expressed the main goals that need to be achieved with a new UI. I am not a UI designer, and am not creative enough to come up with ideas that will truly revolutionise EvE. That is CCP's job, as a paying customer it is my job to say whether I think they're good changes or not.

I am also aware that a lot of the UI's limitations are possibly due to the language it was written in. To reiterate, I know it's no small thing I am suggesting. But every year that passes we're going to see more and more games come out to rival EvE, and they WILL have modern and far more functional/intuative/scalable/speedy/better looking UI's.

PS: I just want to state again, I think the team are working very hard on the UI, and some of the changes being talked about are brilliant. The Estimated mineral price is ON PAR with the sort of intuitive UI I think we should be getting, and is something I thought was just too much to ask for. So that was a very pleasant surprise. Ultimately though, I still stand by the title of this thread; the changes to the market for instance are very good, but STILL nowhere near enough.

Unfortunately I think you're wrong, the video they have shown has a few new design concepts, mixed with a few minor upcoming changes (which are good changes), mixed with a load of old design concepts which were never implemented. It certainly doesn't amount to a new UI. If a new UI was imminent they wouldn't be wasting so much time on UI iteration. All the hints dropped on these forums don't point to a new UI either, only that they're making changes to the existing UI.

I'd like to believe you, but I'm just not convinced at this stage. Perhaps in the far distant future, but CCP most certainly haven't announced a UI overhaul, not on this forum nor at the fanfest.

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For me at least, it's not about "pretty UI" or something like "ooh, fancy 3D popups...". It's about ergonomic design, a 'smart' UI in a sense that an interface shouldn't have two or three of four panels that could have been displayed in one. The display presented to user should take as little space on our screen as possible and at the same time displays them in the most effective and informative way possible.

It seems to me that the way Eve interface designed is by slapping everything or every new feature on a new window or a panel of it's own, rather than using a more user friendly and ergonomic approach. To me, it seems that they're taking the easy way, at least on this aspect (i'm no UI design expert, so i might be wrong). Take for instance, a couple the most common windows that took most of our screen space. The overview, a spreadsheet in space, then there's the "selected object" window, the fleet window, watchlist window, targetted objects, 5 (more if you count each target separately) different window which basically represent the same functionality group. Why is this? it seems like they way the Eve UI designed were like :

feature developer : "hey, we need to present our new watchlist feature to users, this is cool"
UI developer : "ok, let's just code a new window for that and let the users DWI"
feature dev. : "oh hey, how about the fleet window? should we think about how to efficiently display the feature?"
UI dev. : "Nah, we'll just code another window for that, no hassle..."

There are no doubt CCP have been doing all they could to improve the UI, for that, you guys at CCP have my gratitude, but is it/will it be enough? i'm not sure at this point, perhaps it's the basecodes that's preventing them from building a user-centric interface, perhaps it's just how they want to do it, or perhaps (the worst case scenario) is that they don't know what to do with it, which i pray to God this is not the issue.

All this complaining about a system because it looks old, with not one real problem pointed out.

Well CPP is ready to fix the problem no one had, enjoy taking 3 times the time to put missiles in a ship, or god forbid drones that takes even more clicks and tiny mouse movements to tiny targets, that if you hover over for too long switch the windows suddenly, so if you had say another kind of ammo you want to add, there a few more clicks for ya.

Meh, I'll just sum it up for what needs to be done.

Watch "Dominion" trailer

That is how the UI should look.

What about starting a new server with brand new gameplay and interface?

Just a friendly bump for this thread and another reminder to be careful what you wish for.

I´m almost sorry for CCP again concentrating on "EVE-Space".

Please CCP, give us "Strolling in Station !!!!"

I´m sure it will be OZOM!
As long as you leave the buttan in, you know which one.