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One Full Hour of CSM Yapping and all Irrelevant

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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#61 - 2012-05-20 04:41:07 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Bison
Zhihatsu wrote:

33 billion isk worth of ship, if a highsec person were to save up for that, they should have to save for years for something like that.


Well, i would agree with it should take serious effort but, years may be a bit much.
My casual play style would take me almost a year of effort but, then I do waste a bunch of ISK Smile

Nothing clever at this time.
Sentinel Smith
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#62 - 2012-05-20 04:49:55 UTC
Just out of curiosity.. did you even bother to send them a question or two ? Cause is no one asked, then they didn't talk about it..

And if you didn't, then either no one else things what ever issues you have are actually issues, or no one bothered to step up and ask them something about it..

Reminds me of some friends I have bitching about who got elected.. Did they vote ? No.. So stfu..
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#63 - 2012-05-20 04:50:15 UTC
Nick Bison wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:

33 billion isk worth of ship, if a highsec person were to save up for that, they should have to save for years for something like that.


Well, i would agree with it should take serious effort but, years may be a bit much.
My casual play style would take me almost a year of effort but, then I do waste a bunch of ISK Smile


If you are casual then why would you need the pimpest of all the fit ships? It'd be like someone having all the highest tier armor and crap in warcraft just so they can run through regular deadmines with it.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#64 - 2012-05-20 04:54:43 UTC  |  Edited by: Richard Desturned
Nick Bison wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:

33 billion isk worth of ship, if a highsec person were to save up for that, they should have to save for years for something like that.


Well, i would agree with it should take serious effort but, years may be a bit much.
My casual play style would take me almost a year of effort but, then I do waste a bunch of ISK Smile


here's a better question

why would I choose to grind up the ISK for whatever goal I have in mind in the sov space that my alliance expends countless hours into securing when I can make the same amount of ISK for the same amount of effort and time in the relative safety of hisec?

personally, the lion's share of my ISK came from scams and market trading, but some people choose to rat

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#65 - 2012-05-20 04:55:08 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Vyl Vit wrote:
I coulda told you that. CSM is a figment of CCP's imagination. The CSM themselves are all too HAPPY to be dupes. They can brag about having an internet gaming OFFICE. Elected by the "playerbase." Delusions know no bounds.

Grandpaw sat me on his knee and told me, "Son. Don't expect crazy people to make sense."


No, the CSM think theyre the sounding board "suggestion BS" when their original charter was to go to iceland and make sure there isnt another T20. Theyre doing the wrong job is all.

The real fult is CCP for not putting them on task

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#66 - 2012-05-20 04:57:16 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
No, the CSM think theyre the sounding board "suggestion BS" when their original charter was to go to iceland and make sure there isnt another T20. Theyre doing the wrong job is all.


CCP has the people in place to make sure that there isn't another t20, they're called "Internal Affairs." The "sounding board" concept has nothing to do with the CSM shotgunning ideas at the devs - it has to do with the devs sitting down with the CSM and presenting whatever plans they have and getting feedback. That's why they sign an NDA.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#67 - 2012-05-20 04:59:14 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Nick Bison wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:

33 billion isk worth of ship, if a highsec person were to save up for that, they should have to save for years for something like that.


Well, i would agree with it should take serious effort but, years may be a bit much.
My casual play style would take me almost a year of effort but, then I do waste a bunch of ISK Smile


here's a better question

why would I choose to grind up the ISK for whatever goal I have in mind in the sov space that my alliance expends countless hours into securing when I can make the same amount of ISK for the same amount of effort and time in the relative safety of hisec?

personally, the lion's share of my ISK came from scams and market trading, but some people choose to rat


and yet people still secure the space, come cry about it once everyone moves back to highsec
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#68 - 2012-05-20 05:00:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
Richard Desturned wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
No, the CSM think theyre the sounding board "suggestion BS" when their original charter was to go to iceland and make sure there isnt another T20. Theyre doing the wrong job is all.


CCP has the people in place to make sure that there isn't another t20, they're called "Internal Affairs." The "sounding board" concept has nothing to do with the CSM shotgunning ideas at the devs - it has to do with the devs sitting down with the CSM and presenting whatever plans they have and getting feedback. That's why they sign an NDA.


ah see UI understand your problem, you werent paying attention when they formed the CSM then? When CCP told us what I just said WAS the point of the group? Cause if there is a IA division, then the CSM has no purpose

and the sounding board thing is a BS cover they threw against the wall too see if itd stick so they wouldnt bee seen to disband the group lol

ah I see you werent there when that went down. my bad

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#69 - 2012-05-20 05:01:08 UTC
Malice Redeemer wrote:
and yet people still secure the space, come cry about it once everyone moves back to highsec


Plenty of nullseccers already fund themselves through out-of-corp hisec alts.

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#70 - 2012-05-20 05:01:35 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
ah I see you werent there when that went down. my bad

Federal Navy Academy [FNA] from 2012.05.01 09:45 to this day

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#71 - 2012-05-20 05:02:46 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:

why would I choose to grind up the ISK for whatever goal I have in mind in the sov space that my alliance expends countless hours into securing when I can make the same amount of ISK for the same amount of effort and time in the relative safety of hisec?


Well, because it is your choice i guess.
This is probably why a number of NulSec folk have Empire alts, to fund their PvP habit.
I see no problem with this ... but, instead of nurfing HiSec income, shouldn't we be focusing on how to improve Null income?

Nothing clever at this time.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#72 - 2012-05-20 05:05:10 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
ah I see you werent there when that went down. my bad

Federal Navy Academy [FNA] from 2012.05.01 09:45 to this day


...like I said.

Yeah CCP were the ones telling US what I said about the group going to Iceland to make sure there wasnt another T20.


so yeah... After they realized that was impossible, they formed IA, because the CSM was then worthless

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#73 - 2012-05-20 05:09:56 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
ah I see you werent there when that went down. my bad

Federal Navy Academy [FNA] from 2012.05.01 09:45 to this day


...like I said.

Yeah CCP were the ones telling US what I said about the group going to Iceland to make sure there wasnt another T20.


so yeah... After they realized that was impossible, they formed IA, because the CSM was then worthless


IA predates the CSM, fyi

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Richard Desturned
Royal Amarr Institute
Amarr Empire
#74 - 2012-05-20 05:10:35 UTC
Nick Bison wrote:
but, instead of nurfing HiSec income, shouldn't we be focusing on how to improve Null income?


yeah the solution to the problem is to vastly increase the amount of ISK being injected into the game lol

npc alts have no opinions worth consideration
Natassia Krasnoo
R3D SHIFT
#75 - 2012-05-20 05:15:56 UTC
So let me get this straight. You want to nerf highsec income? I'm not really sure I'm following you here. I can go out to 0.0 and make a boat load more than I ever could in highsec in about 1/8 the time. Highsec income is a GRIND most people do not enjoy, but do it because they don't have the time to devote to 0.0 life with alarm clock mando ops...etc.

0.0 income comes from ABC ores/ice/gasses, in system belts/Hidden belts(usually worth a lot more.). Higher paying or = to LVL 4 bounties in Anomalies, Complexes, and Belt rats in upgraded systems. Tech moons and other moon goo that doesn't exist in highsec. Much better PI resources. Easier access to Class 5 Wormhole content.

Highsec income comes from bottom of the barrel roids/ice/gasses. Grinding LVL 4's till you want to smash your head through the monitor at the sight of another red cross. Trading/Market games. Some FW LP(anyone willing to play FW in its current state deserves all the ISK they get and much much more IMHO). Lousy PI resources. Easy access to class 3 Wormhole content. The much debated Data Cores(not a source of good income and not exactly passive either).

Just because some people run around in 33 bil officer fit ships does not mean the average highsec player does the same. Take a look around highsec most mission runners are using T1 or sometimes a T2 BS for LVL 4's and mostly T2 or T1 fit at that. It's not often I see a T2 or Faction BS in my mission system. The most likely scenario is he sold or traded in GTC or Plex to get that fit and ship, or he RMT'ed to get it. Not all highsec dwellers are rich, some of us barely have the time to complete and salvage a couple LVL 4 missions a day. I love this game but if highsec income gets nerfed any more than it is. I'm outta here and I know I'm not alone.
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#76 - 2012-05-20 05:19:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
huh neat, if the stuff Ive been reading is right the IA department preceeds the T20 incident... funny

But yeah, they should nerf highsec income when they remove tech moons from the game

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Malice Redeemer
Kenshin.
Fraternity.
#77 - 2012-05-20 05:35:57 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Malice Redeemer wrote:
and yet people still secure the space, come cry about it once everyone moves back to highsec


Plenty of nullseccers already fund themselves through out-of-corp hisec alts.


and yet people still secure the space, come cry about it once everyone moves back to highsec
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#78 - 2012-05-20 06:27:28 UTC
Well it's either increase hisec risk or decrease hisec reward

and we know how you guys are about risk, so...
Natassia Krasnoo
R3D SHIFT
#79 - 2012-05-20 08:11:09 UTC
Nicolo da'Vicenza wrote:
Well it's either increase hisec risk or decrease hisec reward

and we know how you guys are about risk, so...



So you are issueing an ultimatum? Funny I don't see a CCP or CSM tag on your character portrait.

You are ASS-uming that ALL highsec players are scared to risk what they have. Yet they take the same risk as you in 0.0. They can still get their ship blown up. All it takes is a wardec or a group of gankers with good alpha. You chose to live in 0.0 nobody forced you out there. See my post above, I'm not sure what exactly the problem with highsec is.

Please explain your points and justifications for nerfing the highsec income. Or are you simply jumping on the bandwagon as part of the blue 0.0 NAPFEST coalition train?

Is it that you aren't getting enough tears in 0.0 because of the lack of targets or what?
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#80 - 2012-05-20 08:32:37 UTC
Nick Bison wrote:
Seems a lot of folk are just mad as HiSec (Industrialist/PvE) types for having a lot of ISK.

Maybe if you actually saved some of your ISK you could have nice things too.
Or maybe some ISK management skills would help you ... but probably not.




Actually, it's because the Hi-seccers joined a PVP-everywhere game then complain when it [PVP] happens.

I'll rationalize it for those lacking intelligence (not directed at you)

PVP is the Gun
Concord is the Safety

if you still manage to shoot yourself in the foot, don't complain to the Gun Maker (CCP) and don't dare come complain on the forums (NRA).

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