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CSM Member Issler Dainze: A Threat To The Legitimacy of the CSM and All of Lowsec

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Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#381 - 2012-05-20 01:29:54 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:

Using throwaway alts would have been really, really expensive. Like, prohibitively expensive, even for Goons. Do you have any evidence for this new claim? Or is it just another accusation you've pulled out of your ass?


New claim? What was the old claim?

I'm not going to waste time with your ole 'evidence' routine.

As for your statement : Or is it just another accusation you've pulled out of your ass?

Any more remarks like that will be reported as trolling trying to incite a flame war.


Lord Zim wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
It's always best in cases like this to go with definitions and statistics. The CSM is a group of players who are supposed to represent the entire Eve Online Community to CCP, not just a specific group or specific play style. In other words, to achieve that it makes perfect sense to set up the CSM to represent all groups and play styles in Eve Online pertaining to Career, Population and Location.

Pity more than half the hisec population is nullsec alts, then.

Fortunately that isn't the case.


Sorry, yeah, you're right, it isn't a new claim, it's the same old dead horse you drag out every few weeks. Goons had to have rigged the votes, because no one would ever legitimately vote for Mittani.

As for my "evidence routine", putting out conspiracy theories without having any even slightly compelling evidence to back it up puts one in the realm of being potentially clinically insane.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#382 - 2012-05-20 01:38:18 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:



Lord Zim wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
It's always best in cases like this to go with definitions and statistics. The CSM is a group of players who are supposed to represent the entire Eve Online Community to CCP, not just a specific group or specific play style. In other words, to achieve that it makes perfect sense to set up the CSM to represent all groups and play styles in Eve Online pertaining to Career, Population and Location.

Pity more than half the hisec population is nullsec alts, then.

Fortunately that isn't the case.



Um yes it is.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#383 - 2012-05-20 01:58:16 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Sorry, yeah, you're right, it isn't a new claim, it's the same old dead horse you drag out every few weeks. Goons had to have rigged the votes, because no one would ever legitimately vote for Mittani.

As for my "evidence routine", putting out conspiracy theories without having any even slightly compelling evidence to back it up puts one in the realm of being potentially clinically insane.

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Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#384 - 2012-05-20 02:04:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Fabulousli Obvious
Alavaria Fera wrote:

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I just read through the last 5 pages here.

I'm just really beyond comment.

That's kinda hard to do.

Congratulations all.




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DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#385 - 2012-05-20 02:14:27 UTC  |  Edited by: ISD LoneLynx
Zhihatsu wrote:


Are you going to punish me for pointing out your lack of facts, DMC? Punish me some more, big boy.


Nice attempt at trying to twist things around, you all must attend the same school. The warning was about your remark which was intended to flame : "Or is it just another accusation you've pulled out of your ***?

And now you continue it with sarcastic off topic remarks.

Zhihatsu wrote:


Sorry, yeah, you're right, it isn't a new claim, it's the same old dead horse you drag out every few weeks. Goons had to have rigged the votes, because no one would ever legitimately vote for Mittani.

As for my "evidence routine", putting out conspiracy theories without having any even slightly compelling evidence to back it up puts one in the realm of being potentially clinically insane.


Well, sadly you're mistaken. I have rarely ever commented on the topic of GSF and 'rigged' CSM votes and quite honestly, it's not that important to me. My original reply to this thread was about the op, not you.

However, I'm sure statistics showing the age of all accounts that voted for The Mittani would definitely shed some light on that issue but unfortunately that isn't the topic of this thread.

FYI - lack of evidence is what makes it a conspiracy.

And again you try to incite flame war by suggesting that I'm potentially clinically insane.

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Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#386 - 2012-05-20 02:17:03 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhihatsu
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:

Using throwaway alts would have been really, really expensive. Like, prohibitively expensive, even for Goons. Do you have any evidence for this new claim? Or is it just another accusation you've pulled out of your ass?


New claim? What was the old claim?

I'm not going to waste time with your ole 'evidence' routine.

As for your statement : Or is it just another accusation you've pulled out of your ass?

Any more remarks like that will be reported as trolling trying to incite a flame war.


Are you going to punish me for pointing out your lack of facts, DMC? Punish me some more, big boy.


Nice attempt at trying to twist things around, you all must attend the same school. FYI, the warning was about your remark which was intended to flame : "Or is it just another accusation you've pulled out of your ass?

And now you continue it with sarcastic off topic remarks.

[quote=Zhihatsu]

Sorry, yeah, you're right, it isn't a new claim, it's the same old dead horse you drag out every few weeks. Goons had to have rigged the votes, because no one would ever legitimately vote for Mittani.

As for my "evidence routine", putting out conspiracy theories without having any even slightly compelling evidence to back it up puts one in the realm of being potentially clinically insane.


Well, sadly you're mistaken. I have rarely ever commented on the topic of GSF and 'rigged' CSM votes and quite honestly, it's not that important to me. My original reply to this thread was about the op, not you.

However, I'm sure statistics showing the age of all accounts that voted for The Mittani would definitely shed some light on that issue but unfortunately that isn't the topic of this thread.

FYI - lack of evidence is what makes it a conspiracy.

And again you try to incite flame war by suggesting that I'm potentially clinically insane.



I never mentioned you, though. Do you think you might have a mental illness? If that is the case then I genuinely feel sorry for you and hope you can or already have found some help for it.

If not, then what makes you think I was talking about you?

Are you going to punish me some more? Have I been a bad girl?

Man, I keep having to edit this to add more to it.

Where do you pull your unsubstantiated accusations from?

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Tyrone Cashmoney
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#387 - 2012-05-20 02:30:07 UTC
Fabulousli Obvious wrote:
addendum: If I ever see the word 'remtarded' again.......


remtarded
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#388 - 2012-05-20 02:57:20 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

And again you try to incite flame war by suggesting that I'm potentially clinically insane.

observing isn't suggesting
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#389 - 2012-05-20 03:00:52 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:

And again you try to incite flame war by suggesting that I'm potentially clinically insane.

observing isn't suggesting


I didn't even observe that *he* might be insane. I never mentioned him. All I commented on was the observation a person would likely make of someone "putting out conspiracy theories without having any even slightly compelling evidence to back it up".

If you saw a person standing on a street corner holding a sign and screaming that the government is controlling everyone through flouride in drinking water, you'd probably think that person was insane, right?

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#390 - 2012-05-20 03:05:41 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Are you going to punish me some more? Have I been a bad girl?

Oh my ~~~<3

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Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#391 - 2012-05-20 04:51:35 UTC
Gabriel Kaile wrote:
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
There IS NO recall or removal of ANYONE on the CSM for any reason other than they stand down or (IE Mittens) mistake reality for the game while "being a drunken *******" - direct quote by mittens on the EVE Radio show for those that like to pretend he never blamed the alcohol


He didn't blame the alcohol, shitbird. He said it was completely his fault, even if he was drunk.


lol youre a Goon ofc your lips are surgically grafted to that body part. cant hear what he's saying over the noise I take it...

Hide makes reading forums possible lol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#392 - 2012-05-20 04:53:39 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:


Any more remarks like that will be reported as trolling trying to incite a flame war.



GL with that. Goons dont get banned.
Even when its big bad DMC

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Lexmana
#393 - 2012-05-20 07:24:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Lexmana
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
However, I'm sure statistics showing the age of all accounts that voted for The Mittani would definitely shed some light on that issue but unfortunately that isn't the topic of this thread.

FYI - lack of evidence is what makes it a conspiracy.

And again you try to incite flame war by suggesting that I'm potentially clinically insane.


How do you explain the data that actually IS available showing that there were fewer young accounts voting for CSM7 than CSM6? I forgot, you don't. You like to ignore facts that speaks against your tinfoilhattery.

CSM had way more legitimacy when the Mittani was on board. I know for a fact that not only goons and blues to goons voted for him. And whatever legitimacy Issler once had there is not much left.
RAP ACTION HERO
#394 - 2012-05-20 07:28:08 UTC
hey get wis on full throttle again, pvp flags, subs will triple right dmc?

vitoc erryday
Dyner
Brutor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#395 - 2012-05-20 07:54:58 UTC
RAP ACTION HERO wrote:
hey get wis on full throttle again, pvp flags, subs will triple right dmc?



PVP Fire Fights in stations would be pretty awesome....but only if was had moves like jumping over crates and ducking behind consoles.

---

I do like how people complain about EVE having PVP.

So I'll spell it out.

****WITS, EVE IS A PVP GAME, YOU JOINED A PVP GAME, SHUT THE **** UP AND LEAVE IF YOU DON'T LIKE PVP.

Mind you these are the same types that join WoW's PVP Servers then complain how a rogue ganked them while they were questing. Then go complain on the forums.

....in both cases they never explain why they wanted to play a PVP-enabled Game, when they hate PVP.


I personally, think CCP should make another shard that's PVE-only. I know, I know, "Dyner, wtf?!"

But think about it, these ingrates have no idea how much EVE lacks in PVE content. Maybe when they see the PVP Shard getting all these new things (good example would be the Factional Warfare, that is strictly PVP so it would not exist on the PVE Shard). Not to mention most of the ships become useless in a PVE-only environment (Caps, eWars, Bombers, Speed Tanks, to name a few).

Quote:
So, when they are left with:

#Missions:
-Mining
-NPC Combat
-Pickup & Delivery
(I can't think of any other Mission Types that I've gotten)

#Mining

#Rat & Drone Hunting

#Incursions

#Planetary Interaction (minus any PVP content)

#Partial Player-made Content (ie lotteries)


Meanwhile, we (PVP Shard) have all the above plus:

#Fleet Battles

#Faction Warfare (yeah, yeah, it's a joke atm)

#Hulkageddon

#Planetary Interaction (with PVP content, that may come when Dust hits....Planetary Bombardment?)

#FULL PLAYER-made CONTENT!!!!!!!!!!! (ie 'Alliance Tournament'-style fights)



They'll realize just how stupid they were.



....no wait, they'd probably just come back to the forums and QQ that CCP doesn't develop content for them. (U-z LIEK RADEZ, YAZ?)
Shian Yang
#396 - 2012-05-20 08:03:52 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Shian Yang wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Twulf wrote:

3 PvP CSM Memebers (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 PvE CSM memebers (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 Industral CSM members (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 Miner CSM Members (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)

Each voted in by players in EVE.

This is the only way to make the CSM even close to worth it.


This is 100% true.



Greetings capsuleer Crimson,

This may be one case where, instead of claiming 100% truth, it may be better to say "I would prefer this". I, for one, do not believe that New Eden should be delineated by security status. What influence does CONCORD have that should determine how we should vote? None.

We should be voting for candidates, based off the platforms they represent.

Unless, of course, your goal is to try and jury-rig the election because you cannot swing the numbers to accomplish anything by yourself. Then by all means, carry on.

But for myself, I prefer an open election without interference or stupid strictures.

Regards,

Shian Yang


Capsuleer Yang,

That is your opinion and contrary to what you believe, it still doesn't make you right.

It's always best in cases like this to go with definitions and statistics. The CSM is a group of players who are supposed to represent the entire Eve Online Community to CCP, not just a specific group or specific play style. In other words, to achieve that it makes perfect sense to set up the CSM to represent all groups and play styles in Eve Online pertaining to Career, Population and Location.

As for jury-rigging the votes and elections with mass amounts of throwaway alts, that was proven to be very effective by your comrades, the GSF.

regards,

DMC



Greetings capsuleer Crimson,

I know it is my opinion. This is why I started my sentence with "I for one, do not believe ..." I made no claims saying "This is 100% true" as you did. Perhaps you need assistance in separating fact from opinion?

I believe your proposal is fundamentally flawed. I travel equally between high and low security space. If I were to stand, where would I stand?

Futhermore, who would you want as a candidate?

Somebody who has an insular view of a single aspect of New Eden? Or somebody who has a view for the entirety of New Eden?

Your proposal is restrictive and fundamentally rigging the system.

As to your assertion that I belong to the Goonswarm Federation. Please review my employment history and see what the truth of the matter is. You will see where my allegiance lies from that.

So please do not tarnish me with a brush I do not deserve. That is below even you.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Rek Seven
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#397 - 2012-05-20 08:31:30 UTC  |  Edited by: Rek Seven
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Issler Dainze recently sent this missive to her alliance:

Quote:

They Cannot Win!!
From: Issler Dainze
Sent: 2012.05.17 06:57
To: The Honda Accord,

So coward blimp ego mittens hired similar coward to destroy our POSs in Illamur. To give you an idea of how screwed up this is in the context of Eve, the allinace hired was Pandemic Legion, what is where the head of the CSM lives, so we are littlerally being attacked by the CSM. Basically Eve is beyond broken. CCP is actually totally supportive of goons and ganking, they think of it as player content. They encourage and support hulkagedon! They actually laugh about miner tears. Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year.

So what does BEEP become during the occupation? First, we hunt these bastards! They don't take us seriously! We have ships, guns and motivation. Goons in high sec are a joke! We make that clear to them.

We help drive the tide to take Eve back.

More about that soon, but players like us are the majority and we are fed up!! Let's take out game back!! Time for the bullies to have some of that sand that always like to talk about to be kicked in their face!

So let me know what you think, where is the future for us?

Issler


In this eve-mail, we can see Issler - a CSM member, who is supposed to work with the CSM to improve the game for everyone - trying to trash the CSM in a transparent ploy to attempt to cover up her massive failures as an alliance leader.

These destroys POS were in lowsec, where as even even a three-week old newbie who accidentally autopiloted through rancer knows, can be shot at by anyone. Lowsec being an area of "low security" is, as you might guess, a fundamental part of the game. Even the most vile highsec miner bleeting to have suicide ganking removed from the game does not dare challenge that there are places in EVE where you can shoot each other: he just merely wants to be immune in highsec.

Now, as anyone knows, if you go into lowsec, you risk getting blown up. Issler foolishly wasted her corporation's assets by placing them in lowsec, where her alliance was too weak to defend them. When - naturally - they got blown up, Issler could have owned up to her hideous mistake. Or not. But that would merely be a reason to snicker at her alliance some more, rather than a thread. Instead, Issler chose to continue her habit of self-aggrandizement at the expense of the CSM (repeatedly demonstrated despite the public remonstrations of the rest of the CSM). She chose to paint her complete failure as an alliance leader not as a personal failure flowing from her many flaws, but instead claiming that her alliance had suffered losses because it had "littlerally [sic] be[en] attacked by the CSM".

Had it? Well, let's ask Hans Jagerblitzen, or Two Step, or any of the fine CSM members who had no connection whatsoever to the CSM. One might ask if Issler herself had somehow attacked her own alliance - though one can make that case given her actions. Claiming that her alliance was "littlerally " attacked by the CSM claims the CSM is not a body representing EVE, but instead a faction within eve. One that Issler is expected to support and contribute to, but by all accounts has contributed less to than even Darius III.

Do the right thing, Issler: Resign. If you are incapable of comprehending who the CSM even is - and that they are not Pandemic Legion - then you ought not be on it.


You goons really do live in your own little world don't you... It's rare that i see a post from a goonswarm member that isn't based on flawed logic... I guess this is just something that happens when you have a closed circle jerking community.

Of course, no CSM member should be immune from being attacked in game but I'm not sure why you feel the need to gang up on Issler... Don't you have better things to do? is this why people say null sec is dead; because you spend your time bullying the weak, and defenceless freighters?

Issler and others have legitimate concerning; what happens to EVE when one overpowering entity is allowed to bully the weak with impunity?

The wishlist is pretty much complete...
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#398 - 2012-05-20 10:29:31 UTC
Rek Seven wrote:
Of course, no CSM member should be immune from being attacked in game but I'm not sure why you feel the need to gang up on Issler...

Is Issler crying bitter forum tears? Yes, she is. There you go, that's easily one reason.

Rek Seven wrote:
Issler and others have legitimate concerning; what happens to EVE when one overpowering entity is allowed to bully the weak with impunity?

You people outnumber us. You don't like us? Gang up and do something about it. Harden the **** up, *****.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Mr Kidd
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#399 - 2012-05-20 10:40:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Mr Kidd
Lord Zim wrote:
]
You people outnumber us. You don't like us? Gang up and do something about it. Harden the **** up, *****.


You must be a goon or their pet.

200,000 years of homo sapien history and nothing has changed. Those with the resources always bully those without and then tell those without to HTFU. Seriously, I'm glad I live in w-space. I just don't have to deal with this **** more than a few quick trips into k-space.

Eve is the worst of human nature allowed to flourish. Even sadder is CCP's propensity to squash Goon's competition, see drone loot nerfs, selective bot reduction and BoB's downfall.

Don't ban me, bro!
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#400 - 2012-05-20 11:00:06 UTC
Mr Kidd wrote:
Eve is the worst of human nature allowed to flourish. Even sadder is CCP's propensity to squash Goon's competition, see drone loot nerfs, selective bot reduction and BoB's downfall.

So what you're saying is, we're devswarm federation, and we've all been given our own personal sabre bpo?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat