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One Full Hour of CSM Yapping and all Irrelevant

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Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#41 - 2012-05-20 03:25:20 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
In other words, why do you think High-sec deserves all the safety nets they've been given over the last couple of years and still have 33 billion isk mission running ships be a common sight?

If you want to have your income, then maybe you should also petition CCP to slow down CONCORDs response time? How about making it impossible to avoid an unwanted wardec? How about letting suicide gankers have their insurance back?

You can't have both.

Oh no you can't say that. They CAN have both, as you see they are reaching for.

There's got to be a killmail behind that 33 billion isk mission running ship though, and I'd love to see it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nicolo da'Vicenza
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#42 - 2012-05-20 03:27:14 UTC
oh no another npc corp forum poster leaving

no...

nooo....
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#43 - 2012-05-20 03:28:16 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:
In other words, why do you think High-sec deserves all the safety nets they've been given over the last couple of years and still have 33 billion isk mission running ships be a common sight?

If you want to have your income, then maybe you should also petition CCP to slow down CONCORDs response time? How about making it impossible to avoid an unwanted wardec? How about letting suicide gankers have their insurance back?

You can't have both.

Oh no you can't say that. They CAN have both, as you see they are reaching for.

There's got to be a killmail behind that 33 billion isk mission running ship though, and I'd love to see it.


http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/07/33b-vindicator/

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Tessla Coil
Pirannha Corp
#44 - 2012-05-20 03:29:53 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:


What about all the huge buffs that highsec has gotten in terms of safety? From another thread:

Destiny Corrupted wrote:
We've had three CONCORD buffs, at least two security status loss/gain nerfs (one has recently been reversed, I think?), a massive empire war nerf, the legalization of decshield, the removal of insurance for losses to CONCORD, an upcoming massive nerf to empire wars, with its own built-in decshield, and plans in the pipe to completely destroy can theft and ninja looting. Most of these happened post-Apocrypha, and this is just an off the top of my head list.


As CCP h as been saying from the start, this game is about Risk vs Reward. You've had all these buffs to safety, all these buffs to reduce the risk in Highsec. Don't you think the trade off is going to be a reduction in high-sec income?

In other words, why do you think High-sec deserves all the safety nets they've been given over the last couple of years and still have 33 billion isk mission running ships be a common sight?

If you want to have your income, then maybe you should also petition CCP to slow down CONCORDs response time? How about making it impossible to avoid an unwanted wardec? How about letting suicide gankers have their insurance back?

You can't have both.


Right, sure.
It is pointless to discuss this with one who is so willfully ignorant of the facts.
As for a 33 billion ISK ratting ship...LOL.
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#45 - 2012-05-20 03:32:02 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhihatsu
Tessla Coil wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:


What about all the huge buffs that highsec has gotten in terms of safety? From another thread:

Destiny Corrupted wrote:
We've had three CONCORD buffs, at least two security status loss/gain nerfs (one has recently been reversed, I think?), a massive empire war nerf, the legalization of decshield, the removal of insurance for losses to CONCORD, an upcoming massive nerf to empire wars, with its own built-in decshield, and plans in the pipe to completely destroy can theft and ninja looting. Most of these happened post-Apocrypha, and this is just an off the top of my head list.


As CCP h as been saying from the start, this game is about Risk vs Reward. You've had all these buffs to safety, all these buffs to reduce the risk in Highsec. Don't you think the trade off is going to be a reduction in high-sec income?

In other words, why do you think High-sec deserves all the safety nets they've been given over the last couple of years and still have 33 billion isk mission running ships be a common sight?

If you want to have your income, then maybe you should also petition CCP to slow down CONCORDs response time? How about making it impossible to avoid an unwanted wardec? How about letting suicide gankers have their insurance back?

You can't have both.


Right, sure.
It is pointless to discuss this with one who is so willfully ignorant of the facts.
As for a 33 billion ISK ratting ship...LOL.


Why not refute my arguments with counter-arguments instead of giving up and running away?

I genuinely would like to hear your arguments on why Highsec should have all the safety buffs they want while also maintaining the ridiculous level of income its enjoyed for so long.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#46 - 2012-05-20 03:35:11 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/07/33b-vindicator/

My my, why not just dualbox saner ships ...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#47 - 2012-05-20 03:38:25 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/07/33b-vindicator/

My my, why not just dualbox saner ships ...


Because high sec mission runners would rather have a lambo with spinnaz and 60" LED TVs underneath the car than drive an unpimped Corvette.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#48 - 2012-05-20 03:39:28 UTC
Tinnin Sylph wrote:
A CSM with no Mittens is a sad CSM.


QFT

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Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#49 - 2012-05-20 03:48:12 UTC
Seems a lot of folk are just mad as HiSec (Industrialist/PvE) types for having a lot of ISK.

Maybe if you actually saved some of your ISK you could have nice things too.
Or maybe some ISK management skills would help you ... but probably not.

Nothing clever at this time.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#50 - 2012-05-20 03:54:20 UTC
Nick Bison wrote:
Seems a lot of folk are just mad as HiSec (Industrialist/PvE) types for having a lot of ISK.

Maybe if you actually saved some of your ISK you could have nice things too.
Or maybe some ISK management skills would help you ... but probably not.

Gotta make them 60, 80billion+ supercapitals that are really rare and all that...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#51 - 2012-05-20 03:54:55 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:
http://www.evenews24.com/2012/04/07/33b-vindicator/

My my, why not just dualbox saner ships ...


Because high sec mission runners would rather have a lambo with spinnaz and 60" LED TVs underneath the car than drive an unpimped Corvette.

Well if the spinnaz and TVs drop, it's pretty nice to gank.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#52 - 2012-05-20 03:56:54 UTC
Nick Bison wrote:
Seems a lot of folk are just mad as HiSec (Industrialist/PvE) types for having a lot of ISK.

Maybe if you actually saved some of your ISK you could have nice things too.
Or maybe some ISK management skills would help you ... but probably not.



It's not that we couldn't afford something crazy like that, but see, when you're in nullsec you have to plan to be ganked, so you don't fully officer/deadspace fit your 6 billion isk ship for ratting or missioning.

The only reason this highsec mission runner fit his ship so expensively is because he had no fear of losing it.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#53 - 2012-05-20 03:59:21 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Nick Bison wrote:
Seems a lot of folk are just mad as HiSec (Industrialist/PvE) types for having a lot of ISK.

Maybe if you actually saved some of your ISK you could have nice things too.
Or maybe some ISK management skills would help you ... but probably not.



It's not that we couldn't afford something crazy like that, but see, when you're in nullsec you have to plan to be ganked, so you don't fully officer/deadspace fit your 6 billion isk ship for ratting or missioning.

The only reason this highsec mission runner fit his ship so expensively is because he had no fear of losing it.

It won't happen twice !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#54 - 2012-05-20 04:05:50 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Nick Bison wrote:
Seems a lot of folk are just mad as HiSec (Industrialist/PvE) types for having a lot of ISK.

Maybe if you actually saved some of your ISK you could have nice things too.
Or maybe some ISK management skills would help you ... but probably not.



It's not that we couldn't afford something crazy like that, but see, when you're in nullsec you have to plan to be ganked, so you don't fully officer/deadspace fit your 6 billion isk ship for ratting or missioning.

The only reason this highsec mission runner fit his ship so expensively is because he had no fear of losing it.


Well, that's his fricken mistake and was obviously proved wrong.
And, so what if a pilot wants to fly that ... obviously gave some folks wood to pop it.

But the continued visceral hatred of all HiSec'ers seems a little over the top.

Nothing clever at this time.
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#55 - 2012-05-20 04:20:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhihatsu
Nick Bison wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:
Nick Bison wrote:
Seems a lot of folk are just mad as HiSec (Industrialist/PvE) types for having a lot of ISK.

Maybe if you actually saved some of your ISK you could have nice things too.
Or maybe some ISK management skills would help you ... but probably not.



It's not that we couldn't afford something crazy like that, but see, when you're in nullsec you have to plan to be ganked, so you don't fully officer/deadspace fit your 6 billion isk ship for ratting or missioning.

The only reason this highsec mission runner fit his ship so expensively is because he had no fear of losing it.


Well, that's his fricken mistake and was obviously proved wrong.
And, so what if a pilot wants to fly that ... obviously gave some folks wood to pop it.

But the continued visceral hatred of all HiSec'ers seems a little over the top.


Who said hate? We only think that if highsec wants to be safer, then it should have a comparable income.

Redonkulous fits like that Vindi are fairly common in highsec, enough so that you really won't see them anywhere else. High-sec citizens shouldn't be able to afford that, not without actual significant risk, not just risk from the odd gank or wardec.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#56 - 2012-05-20 04:24:11 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Who said hate? We only think that if highsec wants to be safer, then it should have a comparable income.

That IS hate speech.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#57 - 2012-05-20 04:25:34 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:
Who said hate? We only think that if highsec wants to be safer, then it should have a comparable income.

That IS hate speech.


Am I guilty of a hate crime now? Hate crimes against highsec crybabies.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#58 - 2012-05-20 04:34:57 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:
Who said hate? We only think that if highsec wants to be safer, then it should have a comparable income.

That IS hate speech.


Am I guilty of a hate crime now? Hate crimes against highsec crybabies.

Bannnnnn~~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
#59 - 2012-05-20 04:35:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Nick Bison
Zhihatsu wrote:
...
Redonkulous fits like that Vindi are fairly common in highsec, enough so that you really won't see them anywhere else. High-sec citizens shouldn't be able to afford that, not without actual significant risk, not just risk from the odd gank or wardec.


Well, here is where I believe you and I differ.

You say that HiSec folk "shouldn't be able to afford that, not without actual significant risk"
I contend HiSec folk "shouldn't be able to afford that, not without actual significant effort"

I would clarify that by saying that any Eve player anywhere in Eve should be able to afford anything with the proper effort.
The risk of ownership it comes with undocking. And, if I read you right, you do not believe the odd gank is sufficient risk?

Not trying to put words in your mouth but, I don't think you are advocating not allowing a player to purchase what they can afford?

Real Edit: I did not include in your quote where you stated the comparable income part.
To be fair, I do agree with you there but, do you believe that HiSec income is too high or that Low/Null is too low?
A tough balancing act to be sure.

Nothing clever at this time.
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#60 - 2012-05-20 04:37:52 UTC
Nick Bison wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:
...
Redonkulous fits like that Vindi are fairly common in highsec, enough so that you really won't see them anywhere else. High-sec citizens shouldn't be able to afford that, not without actual significant risk, not just risk from the odd gank or wardec.


Well, here is where I believe you and I differ.

You say that HiSec folk "shouldn't be able to afford that, not without actual significant risk"
I contend HiSec folk "shouldn't be able to afford that, not without actual significant effort"

I would clarify that by saying that any Eve player anywhere in Eve should be able to afford anything with the proper effort.
The risk of ownership it comes with undocking. And, if I read you right, you do not believe the odd gank is sufficient risk?

Not trying to put words in your mouth but, I don't think you are advocating not allowing a player to purchase what they can afford?



33 billion isk worth of ship, if a highsec person were to save up for that, they should have to save for years for something like that.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.