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CSM Member Issler Dainze: A Threat To The Legitimacy of the CSM and All of Lowsec

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Shian Yang
#361 - 2012-05-19 23:51:20 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Actually you should split it more fairly. If industrial and miner are split then you should also add.

Jump Freighter and other logistics CSM Members
Supercapital Pilots CSM Members
Sov-based logistics CSM Members (not the same at all)
Super-capital production CSM Members
Trit Compression in Highsec CSM members
Hictor and Dictor CSM Members
Probing CSM Members
Fleet Commander CSM Members (I'd vote fore boat~)
Diplomats in nullsec CSM Members


Greetings noble capsuleer Fera,

No. Candidates are welcome to stand with a platform and if their platform resonates with the population of New Eden they will be elected. I intensely dislike this Ammarian zealotry in forcing things their way.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#362 - 2012-05-19 23:51:44 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Ban all the things.

ALL the things

Beee-n eet awlll~~

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#363 - 2012-05-19 23:53:24 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
There are huge amounts of botting going on in Null Sec. Those bots must have been turned blue by SOMEONE in the Null Alliance. Those bots, in addition to being bots, are engages in RMT. Also illegal.

There are huge amounts of botting going on in Hi Sec. Those bots, in addition to being bots, are engages in RMT. Also illegal.


The entire EVE Playerbase is guilty of setting bots and RMTers blue.

So if anyone, ever, sets a corp blue and then someone in said corp might have possibly maybe been a bot then clearly you should ban all goons.


Why even bother with the possibility of botting? Why not just ban all Goons and be done with it?

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Kehro Urgus
Dark Nebula Academy
O X I D E
#364 - 2012-05-19 23:57:51 UTC
Plentath
Sparkle Motion.
#365 - 2012-05-20 00:00:45 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Implying? Who said I'm implying?

The evidence has already been presented, the case has been tried, and the verdict rendered.

So if you mean by "implying" that I am saying "has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt", then yes.

I'd love a pointer to this ... proof.


Google the name which must not be named..


So your "proof" that Goons get special treatment by the GMs is by referencing someone who got banned so hard that his character name was added to the forum filters?

Lol

Really. C'mon dude.
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#366 - 2012-05-20 00:02:23 UTC
Plentath wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Implying? Who said I'm implying?

The evidence has already been presented, the case has been tried, and the verdict rendered.

So if you mean by "implying" that I am saying "has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt", then yes.

I'd love a pointer to this ... proof.


Google the name which must not be named..


So your "proof" that Goons get special treatment by the GMs is by referencing someone who got banned so hard that his character name was added to the forum filters?

Lol

Really. C'mon dude.


He's saying that Voldemort is evidence of CCP helping Goons.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#367 - 2012-05-20 00:04:01 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
He's saying that Voldemort is evidence of CCP helping Goons.

The ... you said his na-

Wait a sec, that's not filtered out !

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#368 - 2012-05-20 00:04:52 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:
He's saying that Voldemort is evidence of CCP helping Goons.

The ... you said his na-

Wait a sec, that's not filtered out !


Exactly! Were on a whole new level here.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#369 - 2012-05-20 00:05:37 UTC
hastur
hastur
hastur

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#370 - 2012-05-20 00:18:49 UTC
I see issler has decided to try to troll this thread with npc alts to try and shift the focus of the discussion away from her unacceptable actions, into wild accusations based on fantasy and paranoia

for shame
Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#371 - 2012-05-20 00:21:04 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
I see issler has decided to try to troll this thread with npc alts to try and shift the focus of the discussion away from her unacceptable actions, into wild accusations based on fantasy and paranoia

for shame

Its been fun.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#372 - 2012-05-20 00:27:40 UTC
Dawn Flare wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
I see issler has decided to try to troll this thread with npc alts to try and shift the focus of the discussion away from her unacceptable actions, into wild accusations based on fantasy and paranoia

for shame

Its been fun.

It could be anyone though, I mean they ARE NPC Corp forum alts...

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#373 - 2012-05-20 00:30:28 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Twulf wrote:

3 PvP CSM Memebers (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 PvE CSM memebers (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 Industral CSM members (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 Miner CSM Members (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)

Each voted in by players in EVE.

This is the only way to make the CSM even close to worth it.


This is 100% true.



Greetings capsuleer Crimson,

This may be one case where, instead of claiming 100% truth, it may be better to say "I would prefer this". I, for one, do not believe that New Eden should be delineated by security status. What influence does CONCORD have that should determine how we should vote? None.

We should be voting for candidates, based off the platforms they represent.

Unless, of course, your goal is to try and jury-rig the election because you cannot swing the numbers to accomplish anything by yourself. Then by all means, carry on.

But for myself, I prefer an open election without interference or stupid strictures.

Regards,

Shian Yang


Capsuleer Yang,

That is your opinion and contrary to what you believe, it still doesn't make you right.

It's always best in cases like this to go with definitions and statistics. The CSM is a group of players who are supposed to represent the entire Eve Online Community to CCP, not just a specific group or specific play style. In other words, to achieve that it makes perfect sense to set up the CSM to represent all groups and play styles in Eve Online pertaining to Career, Population and Location.

As for jury-rigging the votes and elections with mass amounts of throwaway alts, that was proven to be very effective by your comrades, the GSF.

regards,

DMC

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#374 - 2012-05-20 00:51:35 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Shian Yang wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Twulf wrote:

3 PvP CSM Memebers (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 PvE CSM memebers (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 Industral CSM members (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 Miner CSM Members (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)

Each voted in by players in EVE.

This is the only way to make the CSM even close to worth it.


This is 100% true.



Greetings capsuleer Crimson,

This may be one case where, instead of claiming 100% truth, it may be better to say "I would prefer this". I, for one, do not believe that New Eden should be delineated by security status. What influence does CONCORD have that should determine how we should vote? None.

We should be voting for candidates, based off the platforms they represent.

Unless, of course, your goal is to try and jury-rig the election because you cannot swing the numbers to accomplish anything by yourself. Then by all means, carry on.

But for myself, I prefer an open election without interference or stupid strictures.

Regards,

Shian Yang


Capsuleer Yang,

That is your opinion and contrary to what you believe, it still doesn't make you right.

It's always best in cases like this to go with definitions and statistics. The CSM is a group of players who are supposed to represent the entire Eve Online Community to CCP, not just a specific group or specific play style. In other words, to achieve that it makes perfect sense to set up the CSM to represent all groups and play styles in Eve Online pertaining to Career, Population and Location.

As for jury-rigging the votes and elections with mass amounts of throwaway alts, that was proven to be very effective by your comrades, the GSF.

regards,

DMC


Using throwaway alts would have been really, really expensive. Like, prohibitively expensive, even for Goons. Do you have any evidence for this new claim? Or is it just another accusation you've pulled out of your ass?

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#375 - 2012-05-20 00:59:50 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
It's always best in cases like this to go with definitions and statistics. The CSM is a group of players who are supposed to represent the entire Eve Online Community to CCP, not just a specific group or specific play style. In other words, to achieve that it makes perfect sense to set up the CSM to represent all groups and play styles in Eve Online pertaining to Career, Population and Location.

Pity more than half the hisec population is nullsec alts, then.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
DeMichael Crimson
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#376 - 2012-05-20 01:12:04 UTC  |  Edited by: DeMichael Crimson
Zhihatsu wrote:

Using throwaway alts would have been really, really expensive. Like, prohibitively expensive, even for Goons. Do you have any evidence for this new claim? Or is it just another accusation you've pulled out of your ass?


New claim? What was the old claim?

I'm not going to waste time with your ole 'evidence' routine.

As for your statement : Or is it just another accusation you've pulled out of your ass?

Any more remarks like that will be reported as trolling trying to incite a flame war.


Lord Zim wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
It's always best in cases like this to go with definitions and statistics. The CSM is a group of players who are supposed to represent the entire Eve Online Community to CCP, not just a specific group or specific play style. In other words, to achieve that it makes perfect sense to set up the CSM to represent all groups and play styles in Eve Online pertaining to Career, Population and Location.

Pity more than half the hisec population is nullsec alts, then.

Fortunately that isn't the case.

'The Plan' | California Eve Players | Proposal - The Endless Battle
Aruken Marr
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#377 - 2012-05-20 01:17:09 UTC  |  Edited by: Aruken Marr
Under further consideration it has been decided this thread will also host a competition for the most stark raving mad poster. As a result we again would like to thank Jessie-A Tassik for his fine submission.

Both the award for "Most Remtarded Poster" and the newly formed category of "Most Batshit Poster" are still under deliberation with our judging panel and any further submissions would be duly welcome.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#378 - 2012-05-20 01:17:12 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
I'm not going to waste time with your ole 'evidence' routine.

Ah, well then I guess there's nothing for it.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#379 - 2012-05-20 01:23:38 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Any more remarks like that will be reported as trolling trying to incite a flame war.

Ahh, hisec people, so cute.

DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Fortunately that isn't the case.

Actually, it most likely is.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#380 - 2012-05-20 01:25:09 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:

Using throwaway alts would have been really, really expensive. Like, prohibitively expensive, even for Goons. Do you have any evidence for this new claim? Or is it just another accusation you've pulled out of your ass?


New claim? What was the old claim?

I'm not going to waste time with your ole 'evidence' routine.

As for your statement : Or is it just another accusation you've pulled out of your ass?

Any more remarks like that will be reported as trolling trying to incite a flame war.


Lord Zim wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
It's always best in cases like this to go with definitions and statistics. The CSM is a group of players who are supposed to represent the entire Eve Online Community to CCP, not just a specific group or specific play style. In other words, to achieve that it makes perfect sense to set up the CSM to represent all groups and play styles in Eve Online pertaining to Career, Population and Location.

Pity more than half the hisec population is nullsec alts, then.

Fortunately that isn't the case.


Are you going to punish me for pointing out your lack of facts, DMC? Punish me some more, big boy.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.