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CSM Member Issler Dainze: A Threat To The Legitimacy of the CSM and All of Lowsec

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Plentath
Sparkle Motion.
#341 - 2012-05-19 23:20:28 UTC
Richard Desturned wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
No wonder the new WarDec system makes goons immune to Wardecs.

Yep. We gave Hilmar an icecream in exchange for a wardec mechanic which strongly favors us, because we deeply care about wardecs you see.


no you see, according to npc alt logic, the fact that it apparently costs 4b to wardec us means that we were obviously behind it

because we're a well-known hisec alliance that operates in hisec


You also need to ignore recent dev-blogs that show the NEW wardec formula that caps this out at about 450mil.

Because the idea of paying 450mil to do something in this game apparently makes it impossible.

But, regardless of his facts holding no weight, he's already "proven" his point v0v
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#342 - 2012-05-19 23:24:22 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Implying? Who said I'm implying?

The evidence has already been presented, the case has been tried, and the verdict rendered.

So if you mean by "implying" that I am saying "has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt", then yes.

I'd love a pointer to this ... proof.


Google the name which must not be named. Also various POS exploits.

God you guys get tarded.
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#343 - 2012-05-19 23:24:58 UTC
Plentath wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
No wonder the new WarDec system makes goons immune to Wardecs.

Yep. We gave Hilmar an icecream in exchange for a wardec mechanic which strongly favors us, because we deeply care about wardecs you see.


no you see, according to npc alt logic, the fact that it apparently costs 4b to wardec us means that we were obviously behind it

because we're a well-known hisec alliance that operates in hisec


You also need to ignore recent dev-blogs that show the NEW wardec formula that caps this out at about 450mil.

Because the idea of paying 450mil to do something in this game apparently makes it impossible.

But, regardless of his facts holding no weight, he's already "proven" his point v0v

facts and npc alts dont get along
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#344 - 2012-05-19 23:27:33 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Also various POS exploits.

You mean ev0ke's ferrogel duping?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#345 - 2012-05-19 23:28:17 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Implying? Who said I'm implying?

The evidence has already been presented, the case has been tried, and the verdict rendered.

So if you mean by "implying" that I am saying "has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt", then yes.

I'd love a pointer to this ... proof.


Google the name which must not be named. Also various POS exploits.

God you guys get tarded.


:-/ This isn't adding up. Your evidence that CCP is actively assisting GSF in-game is a dev helping Band of Brothers and ignoring their uses of exploits?

You do realize that this doesn't even make sense, right?

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#346 - 2012-05-19 23:34:32 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Implying? Who said I'm implying?

The evidence has already been presented, the case has been tried, and the verdict rendered.

So if you mean by "implying" that I am saying "has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt", then yes.

I'd love a pointer to this ... proof.


Google the name which must not be named. Also various POS exploits.

God you guys get tarded.


This does not equal "proved beyond all reasonable doubt."

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Shian Yang
#347 - 2012-05-19 23:34:52 UTC
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Twulf wrote:

3 PvP CSM Memebers (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 PvE CSM memebers (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 Industral CSM members (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 Miner CSM Members (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)

Each voted in by players in EVE.

This is the only way to make the CSM even close to worth it.


This is 100% true.



Greetings capsuleer Crimson,

This may be one case where, instead of claiming 100% truth, it may be better to say "I would prefer this". I, for one, do not believe that New Eden should be delineated by security status. What influence does CONCORD have that should determine how we should vote? None.

We should be voting for candidates, based off the platforms they represent.

Unless, of course, your goal is to try and jury-rig the election because you cannot swing the numbers to accomplish anything by yourself. Then by all means, carry on.

But for myself, I prefer an open election without interference or stupid strictures.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#348 - 2012-05-19 23:35:43 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Implying? Who said I'm implying?

The evidence has already been presented, the case has been tried, and the verdict rendered.

So if you mean by "implying" that I am saying "has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt", then yes.

I'd love a pointer to this ... proof.


Google the name which must not be named. Also various POS exploits.

God you guys get tarded.


:-/ This isn't adding up. Your evidence that CCP is actively assisting GSF in-game is a dev helping Band of Brothers and ignoring their uses of exploits?

You do realize that this doesn't even make sense, right?


I said GSF and other various Null Sec alliances.

So yeah, it makes real good sense. Also past behavior is an indicator of future behavior.

Which is another big dah.

Also, because I'm to lazy to look up the POS exploit still being used, how about those Blue Bots?

How about banning alliances who make Bots Blue?
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#349 - 2012-05-19 23:36:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Zhihatsu
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Google the name which must not be named. Also various POS exploits.

God you guys get tarded.


:-/ This isn't adding up. Your evidence that CCP is actively assisting GSF in-game is a dev helping Band of Brothers and ignoring their uses of exploits?

You do realize that this doesn't even make sense, right?


I said GSF and other various Null Sec alliances.

So yeah, it makes real good sense. Also past behavior is an indicator of future behavior.

Which is another big dah.

Also, because I'm to lazy to look up the POS exploit still being used, how about those Blue Bots?

How about banning alliances who make Bots Blue?


But that doesn't even make sense. By this logic you could include the entire game and accuse them of accepting illegal help from CCP.

Edit:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Richard Desturned wrote:


So you're saying that using exploits is perfectly alright?


Only when the EVE Online Playerbase use them.


This is the logic you are using.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Kerensky White
K-EDEN
Winger Aerospace
#350 - 2012-05-19 23:37:38 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Implying? Who said I'm implying?

The evidence has already been presented, the case has been tried, and the verdict rendered.

So if you mean by "implying" that I am saying "has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt", then yes.

I'd love a pointer to this ... proof.


Google the name which must not be named. Also various POS exploits.

God you guys get tarded.


Put out or get out.
Jessie-A Tassik
Pator Tech School
Minmatar Republic
#351 - 2012-05-19 23:39:39 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:


But that doesn't even make sense. By this logic you could include the entire game and accuse them of accepting illegal help from CCP.


There are huge amounts of botting going on in Null Sec. Those bots must have been turned blue by SOMEONE in the Null Alliance. Those bots, in addition to being bots, are engages in RMT. Also illegal.

The "whole game" did not let illegal bots engage in illegal RMT in their sovereign space by turning said bot blue. I have no idea what you are talking about.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#352 - 2012-05-19 23:40:56 UTC
Kerensky White wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Implying? Who said I'm implying?

The evidence has already been presented, the case has been tried, and the verdict rendered.

So if you mean by "implying" that I am saying "has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt", then yes.

I'd love a pointer to this ... proof.


Google the name which must not be named. Also various POS exploits.

God you guys get tarded.

Put out or get out.

No, it's because we're "littlerally" BoB, The Mittani is "littlerally" SirMolle and, yes, CSM "littlerally" attacking people.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#353 - 2012-05-19 23:41:45 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:


But that doesn't even make sense. By this logic you could include the entire game and accuse them of accepting illegal help from CCP.


There are huge amounts of botting going on in Null Sec. Those bots must have been turned blue by SOMEONE in the Null Alliance. Those bots, in addition to being bots, are engages in RMT. Also illegal.

The "whole game" did not let illegal bots engage in illegal RMT in their sovereign space by turning said bot blue. I have no idea what you are talking about.


You keep making these accusations, where is the evidence of this rampant sanctioning of botting?

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#354 - 2012-05-19 23:41:56 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
I said GSF and other various Null Sec alliances.

So, casting a pretty wide net, then. Well, that's certainly one way of "always being right", pointing out all alliances in the game and going "SEE? THEY EXPLOITED AT SOME POINT DURING THE LAST 8 YEARS!!!".

But since you bring up "the POS exploit", which one did GSF use?

Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
How about banning alliances who make Bots Blue?

There are alliances which exist only to set bots blue? Who?

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#355 - 2012-05-19 23:42:14 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Kerensky White wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:


Implying? Who said I'm implying?

The evidence has already been presented, the case has been tried, and the verdict rendered.

So if you mean by "implying" that I am saying "has been proved beyond all reasonable doubt", then yes.

I'd love a pointer to this ... proof.


Google the name which must not be named. Also various POS exploits.

God you guys get tarded.

Put out or get out.

No, it's because we're "littlerally" BoB, The Mittani is "littlerally" SirMolle and, yes, CSM "littlerally" attacking people.


Hitlerally

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#356 - 2012-05-19 23:43:34 UTC
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
There are huge amounts of botting going on in Null Sec. Those bots must have been turned blue by SOMEONE in the Null Alliance. Those bots, in addition to being bots, are engages in RMT. Also illegal.

There are huge amounts of botting going on in Hi Sec. Those bots, in addition to being bots, are engages in RMT. Also illegal.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#357 - 2012-05-19 23:43:57 UTC
Shian Yang wrote:
DeMichael Crimson wrote:
Twulf wrote:

3 PvP CSM Memebers (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 PvE CSM memebers (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 Industral CSM members (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)
3 Miner CSM Members (1 HighSec, 1 Lowsec, 1 Null)

Each voted in by players in EVE.

This is the only way to make the CSM even close to worth it.


This is 100% true.



Greetings capsuleer Crimson,

This may be one case where, instead of claiming 100% truth, it may be better to say "I would prefer this". I, for one, do not believe that New Eden should be delineated by security status. What influence does CONCORD have that should determine how we should vote? None.

We should be voting for candidates, based off the platforms they represent.

Unless, of course, your goal is to try and jury-rig the election because you cannot swing the numbers to accomplish anything by yourself. Then by all means, carry on.

But for myself, I prefer an open election without interference or stupid strictures.

Regards,

Shian Yang

Actually you should split it more fairly. If industrial and miner are split then you should also add.

Jump Freighter and other logistics CSM Members
Supercapital Pilots CSM Members
Sov-based logistics CSM Members (not the same at all)
Super-capital production CSM Members
Trit Compression in Highsec CSM members
Hictor and Dictor CSM Members
Probing CSM Members
Fleet Commander CSM Members (I'd vote fore boat~)
Diplomats in nullsec CSM Members

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Zhihatsu
Ministry of War
Amarr Empire
#358 - 2012-05-19 23:44:56 UTC
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
There are huge amounts of botting going on in Null Sec. Those bots must have been turned blue by SOMEONE in the Null Alliance. Those bots, in addition to being bots, are engages in RMT. Also illegal.

There are huge amounts of botting going on in Hi Sec. Those bots, in addition to being bots, are engages in RMT. Also illegal.


The entire EVE Playerbase is guilty of setting bots and RMTers blue.

People without faces have no mouths with which to speak.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#359 - 2012-05-19 23:49:34 UTC
Zhihatsu wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
There are huge amounts of botting going on in Null Sec. Those bots must have been turned blue by SOMEONE in the Null Alliance. Those bots, in addition to being bots, are engages in RMT. Also illegal.

There are huge amounts of botting going on in Hi Sec. Those bots, in addition to being bots, are engages in RMT. Also illegal.


The entire EVE Playerbase is guilty of setting bots and RMTers blue.

So if anyone, ever, sets a corp blue and then someone in said corp might have possibly maybe been a bot then clearly you should ban all goons.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Lord Zim
Gallente Federation
#360 - 2012-05-19 23:49:45 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
Zhihatsu wrote:
Lord Zim wrote:
Jessie-A Tassik wrote:
There are huge amounts of botting going on in Null Sec. Those bots must have been turned blue by SOMEONE in the Null Alliance. Those bots, in addition to being bots, are engages in RMT. Also illegal.

There are huge amounts of botting going on in Hi Sec. Those bots, in addition to being bots, are engages in RMT. Also illegal.


The entire EVE Playerbase is guilty of setting bots and RMTers blue.

So if anyone, ever, sets a corp blue and then someone in said corp might have possibly maybe been a bot then clearly you should ban all goons.

Ban all the things.

Cyno's lit, bridge is up, but one pilot won't be jumping home.

RIP Vile Rat