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Amarr V3 Problems

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Aikar Nahrnid
Hedion University
Amarr Empire
#1 - 2012-05-13 13:46:41 UTC
When I first saw the Caldari and Gallente V3 on the test server, I began to closely monitor the V3 project. I was very pleased with the decision of the art department to bring uniformity in the color schemes (CS) of T2 ships from different manufacturers. Of course, the particular design decisions may disappoint someone (Ishukone for example), but this is a matter of taste. It is important that T2 ships of the same manufacturer are now easily recognizable, and, more importantly, carry the appropriate logo.

After the release of Crucible CCP promised to do, and V3 for the Amarr & Minmatar for the summer update. Project V3 for Minmatar, as I understand it, was more time consuming and, therefore, May 22 we will see Amarr v3 in all its glory at the tranquility. So far so good.

But what we see now on the test server, just over a week before the release? With all the beauty of the Amarr V3, we can see some very strange decisions regarding color schemes and logos T2 ships of this fraction. As we know, Amarr T2 ships are produced by three corporations: Khanid Innovations, Visiam and Carthum Conglomerate. Consider them all in order.

1. Khanid Innovation.

The corporation belongs to the Khanid Kingdom and manufactures advanced ships and equipment for the Royal Navy.

What is wrong with them? The color scheme chosen for this manufacturer of ships, in principle, was expected ever since the introduction of new game models of Maller. However, it is worth noting, that since the Khanid faction is relatively independent, we can assume that this color scheme should be applied not to specific T2 ships, but Khanid civilian ships. Khanid Innovation must be differ from civilian fleet. But this is, in principle, a trifle. Much more important place on these ships right logo - Khanid Innovation, and not the logo of Khanid Kingdom, which looks out of place.

2. Viziam

The color scheme is chosen appropriately and consistent tradition of the game, but for some reason instead of the Visiam logo on these ships used the logo Ardishapur Family. Ok, we know that Ardishapur family is an investor of this corporation, but Visiam is not their own! Ardishapur family logo on Viziam is wrong. And on Sentinel ship we have Kor-Azor logo & Kor-Azor color scheme. This is absolutely out of place.

3. Carthum Conglomerate

As I understand, in plans of CCP the introduction of corporate color schemes for ships and better use of V3 features. This is very good, but why hurry? Why are Carthum conglomerate ships used a very beautiful but it is very inappropriate color scheme of the Imperial House Sarum? Dark red with a gold looks very solemn and majestic, but it does not fit quite utilitarian Carthum warships. Logo there as well Sarum Family, that it is inappropriate, and looks pretty stupid. Yes, I know that Carthum is Sarum Family subcorporation, but not only them. Ducia Foundry have their righs too!

I think A majority of the players liked the resulting Sarum ships, but leave them for later introduction. Do not rush out and sacrificing logic.

At this point I probably will end. I hope the developers will pay attention to this subject. Sorry for my English.


Mayda Junichiro
Vascerum Maximus Inc.
#2 - 2012-05-14 10:02:45 UTC
You make a very valid argument. I was wondering about these things as well. It's nice to see some different color schemes, but please keep the logos and color schemes consistent with the lore!
Goran Konjich
Krompany
#3 - 2012-05-14 10:33:03 UTC
nice post OP ... and now Prophecy "IS" the best looking ship in the game Lol ... imho.

I'm a diplomat. Sometimes i throw 425mm wide briefcases at enemy. Such is EVE.

Lyron-Baktos
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#4 - 2012-05-14 15:45:18 UTC
I would like to see a dev response to the Amarr V3 changes. Lots of posts talking about this and not one dev response
Einar Matveinen
Mahe Ratu
#5 - 2012-05-14 18:03:27 UTC  |  Edited by: Einar Matveinen
I've posted the same here, i agree with this.

Lai Dai ships have new darker textures but only some of them, Cerberus, Manticore and Golem.
m3talc0re X
The Motley Crew of Disorder
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#6 - 2012-05-15 01:24:57 UTC
Carthum's new color scheme is freakin' awesome. Do not change. Also, if you remember, a lot of the Caldari and Gallente logos were wrong when they were on Sisi, also. Hell, some Caldari ships had pirate faction logo's...
CCP Vertex
C C P
C C P Alliance
#7 - 2012-05-17 14:29:00 UTC
Hi all, my apologies for not replying soon, it's been rather hectic here preparing for the release.

As you'll of noticed some house patterns have changed i.e. Sarums red/gold scheme has been flipped around, this was intended. The manufacturer logo/decal that is on the ships is something we're looking into and we'll hopefully have an update soon.

**CCP Vertex  |  Senior Development Manager ** | @CCP_Vertex

Mayda Junichiro
Vascerum Maximus Inc.
#8 - 2012-05-19 18:16:18 UTC
CCP Vertex wrote:
Hi all, my apologies for not replying soon, it's been rather hectic here preparing for the release.

As you'll of noticed some house patterns have changed i.e. Sarums red/gold scheme has been flipped around, this was intended. The manufacturer logo/decal that is on the ships is something we're looking into and we'll hopefully have an update soon.


Good to hear. I hope you either get it sorted soon or at least give us an explanation for the changes, that makes sense from an RP point of view. Big smile
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#9 - 2012-05-21 01:46:27 UTC
The Gallente and Caldari Navy issue ships got a workover when they were V3'd, yet the Apocalypse and Armageddon Navy Issue (and others) look pretty much exactly the same as they did before, with the exception of the added logos.

I feel ripped off, frankly.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

Ganthrithor
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#10 - 2012-05-21 04:03:34 UTC  |  Edited by: Ganthrithor
The new Amarr skins really don't look anywhere near as good as most of the Gallente / Caldari ones. I'd make an exception for the new Prophecy skins, but that's about it-- the rest don't look like they add much (if any) detail, and on top of that they've made all the ships look muddy. The colors on the new skins are so muted its almost difficult to tell a Redeemer from a Geddon-- they both look fairly dull, dark brownish grey, with a hint of gold or green depending on the ship. Not cool. I loved the way the Redeemer / Zealot used to look like silver / green ships, rather than muddy green on muddy gold.

Also, I can't believe you went in and changed manufacturer color schemes for Amarr without making more ships use that amazing black-with-bluewhite-lights color scheme a la the Damnation / Sac. Holy crap, what a cool colorscheme. Something silver/metallic grey with bluewhite lights would look good as well.

I hope the Minmatar v3 will be on par with the Gallente / Caldari reskins, not the Amarr ones. The G/C ones generally look amazing.
Einar Matveinen
Mahe Ratu
#11 - 2012-05-21 08:07:49 UTC  |  Edited by: Einar Matveinen
+1 to the last two posts. Navy apoc has the same TQ model with the addition of the Amarr Navy logo.

The revamp to gallente/caldari in crucible was better than the revamp of amarr ships in sisi. Exceptions are Oracle, Purifier for example.
PinkKnife
The Cuddlefish
Ethereal Dawn
#12 - 2012-05-21 18:23:15 UTC
Ganthrithor wrote:
The new Amarr skins really don't look anywhere near as good as most of the Gallente / Caldari ones. I'd make an exception for the new Prophecy skins, but that's about it-- the rest don't look like they add much (if any) detail, and on top of that they've made all the ships look muddy. The colors on the new skins are so muted its almost difficult to tell a Redeemer from a Geddon-- they both look fairly dull, dark brownish grey, with a hint of gold or green depending on the ship. Not cool. I loved the way the Redeemer / Zealot used to look like silver / green ships, rather than muddy green on muddy gold.

Also, I can't believe you went in and changed manufacturer color schemes for Amarr without making more ships use that amazing black-with-bluewhite-lights color scheme a la the Damnation / Sac. Holy crap, what a cool colorscheme. Something silver/metallic grey with bluewhite lights would look good as well.

I hope the Minmatar v3 will be on par with the Gallente / Caldari reskins, not the Amarr ones. The G/C ones generally look amazing.


Vengence, Heretic, Sacrilege, Damnation are all Khanid boats and all use that same color scheme. There is no Khanid battleship,

My only complaint is on the logo issues, and the Viziam ships don't look any different from the normal Amarr ships, the green is very very muted.
Einar Matveinen
Mahe Ratu
#13 - 2012-05-21 22:52:20 UTC
Here is an example with new Lai Dai V3:

Hawk model

Raptor model

New models are darker but at this time not all Lai Dai models have been converted. Lack of time, probably. You can see the darker missile launcher colours in Raptor (old) model. I hope all models will be converted by the time Minmatar V3 will be deployed.
James Amril-Kesh
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#14 - 2012-05-22 01:36:57 UTC
I will say though I'm extremely happy with how the Khanid ships came out. The new IN Slicer is also quite sexy.

Enjoying the rain today? ;)

m3talc0re X
The Motley Crew of Disorder
The Gorram Shiney Alliance
#15 - 2012-05-25 20:31:11 UTC
James Amril-Kesh wrote:
The Gallente and Caldari Navy issue ships got a workover when they were V3'd, yet the Apocalypse and Armageddon Navy Issue (and others) look pretty much exactly the same as they did before, with the exception of the added logos.

I feel ripped off, frankly.


I felt the same on this.
MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#16 - 2012-05-25 21:15:39 UTC
everythign is so dark : ((((

but onyl some of the new ships, other V3'd ships are fine. WTH ccp?

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

Logan LaMort
Screaming Hayabusa
#17 - 2012-05-27 03:53:36 UTC
Personal opinion, but the new skins are a vast improvement on the "cheap gold oily plastic" that Amarr used to use. They actually look like spaceships now with a metallic sheen and layered different shades of gold.

I mean the Omen was probably the nicest looking Amarr ship before but now I'd say it's just the sexiest out of all the factions now with the Punisher and it's T2 versions not far behind.

With the result of the Amarr V3 and the Hound remodel I have full confidence that Minmatar is going to look pretty damn badass when they're finally done. The art department has really got its **** together.
Burseg Sardaukar
Free State Project
#18 - 2012-06-09 04:11:17 UTC
I noticed this on TQ (the OP's description) and am Not much for role playing, but am a stickler for consistency... any word on this?

Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine!

MotherMoon
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#19 - 2012-06-09 06:38:01 UTC
Burseg Sardaukar wrote:
I noticed this on TQ (the OP's description) and am Not much for role playing, but am a stickler for consistency... any word on this?


fixed on SiSi

http://dl.eve-files.com/media/1206/scimi.jpg

Burseg Sardaukar
Free State Project
#20 - 2012-06-10 02:31:27 UTC
MotherMoon wrote:
Burseg Sardaukar wrote:
I noticed this on TQ (the OP's description) and am Not much for role playing, but am a stickler for consistency... any word on this?


fixed on SiSi


Actually its not...

Can't wait to dual box my Dust toon and EVE toon on the same machine!

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