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Current CSM Needs Desolved (and a new elections needs to occur). (UPDATE - Read latest post.)

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Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#1 - 2012-05-19 16:58:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Saia Tae Arragosa
On day one, of this new CSM, we've had nothing but issues. Now with the latest shenanigans, yet again the CSM have shown their true colors. With the in fighting among the CSM and many with conflicts of interest due to their friendships and former alliances, it is clear the CSM is not looking out for the general populace of the game, and the game itself, and is more interested in their own selfish needs and stirring up **** storm after **** storm. This is not what the CSM was created for.

If you feel as I do. Cast a vote of "no confidence" in the current CSM and ask CCP for new elections. Enough is enough.


My vote. +1 vote of no confidence.
Nick Bison
Bison Industrial Inc
Cat Scratch Fevers
#2 - 2012-05-19 17:05:15 UTC
+1
Gonna have to agree with you here.
Current CSM is about ineffectual to date.
Will be interesting to listen to their Everadio about now

Nothing clever at this time.
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-05-19 17:06:57 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
On day one, of this new CSM, we've had nothing but issues. Now with the latest shenanigans, yet again the CSM have shown their true colors. With the in fighting among the CSM and many with conflicts of interest due to their friendships and former alliances, it is clear the CSM is not looking out for the general populace of the game, and the game itself, and is more interested in their own selfish needs and stirring up **** storm after **** storm. This is not what the CSM was created for.

If you feel as I do. Cast a vote of "no confidence" in the current CSM and ask CCP for new elections. Enough is enough.


My vote. +1 vote of no confidence.


My guess is that you were one of those that actually thought the CSM was valid and actually the voice of Eve? Google "corrupt Chicago politics". Same diff.
Alara IonStorm
#4 - 2012-05-19 17:06:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Alara IonStorm
Thread Title wrote:
Current CSM Needs Desolved

If they are already desolved then their is no longer a need.

You won, take a half day.

BTW what is desolved mean and what effect will it have on our CSM members?
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-19 17:16:16 UTC
Strange how much almost ALL communications from their usual blogging has been non-existent !

Trebor, Seleene, Two Step?

My 4 accounts were split for all 3 of you and it has been REAL silent. Weirdly silent what with what all is going on.

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#6 - 2012-05-19 17:17:05 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
On day one, of this new CSM, we've had nothing but issues...


We heard some baseless rabble-rabble by a few people with nothing better to do than make a tale of sound and fury, signifying nothing.

"Issues" of substance, though? None.

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-05-19 17:19:07 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Thread Title wrote:
Current CSM Needs Desolved

If they are already desolved then their is no longer a need.

You won, take a half day.

BTW what is desolved mean and what effect will it have on our CSM members?


I think it means most of us "solved" what the CSM really is/does, and some want us to completely ignore that fact and wallow in the blind ignorance of this metagame called CSM.
Alara IonStorm
#8 - 2012-05-19 17:20:46 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:

I think it means most of us "solved" what the CSM really is/does,

You mean advise CCP to implement what they want in the game?
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#9 - 2012-05-19 17:21:08 UTC
The CSM was suppose to be about helping CCP in the development of the game. Lately it has been about meta game, both in and out of game, and all about certain individuals and corps. The game does not revolve around them. There are thousands of players that try to enjoy this game. With the actions of the latest CSM, since day one, it is clear that they have no interest in anything to do with the game that doesn't involve their own interest.
Alara IonStorm
#10 - 2012-05-19 17:23:39 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
it is clear that they have no interest in anything to do with the game that doesn't involve their own interest.

Why is this a bad thing.

Like every election don't we all just vote for the guy whose interests we agree with.
Fabulousli Obvious
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#11 - 2012-05-19 17:24:04 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
With the actions of the latest CSM, since day one, it is clear that they have no interest in anything to do with the game that doesn't involve their own interest.



I'm not sure it's even about their own interests. Somebody's for sure, but whom ?

I am NOT YOUNG ENOUGH to know EVERYTHING.  ~~ Oscar Wilde, writer, d. November 30, 1900
Katja Faith
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-05-19 17:25:20 UTC
Alara IonStorm wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
it is clear that they have no interest in anything to do with the game that doesn't involve their own interest.

Why is this a bad thing.

Like every election don't we all just vote for the guy whose interests we agree with.


I personally didn't vote in the last one (four accounts) because I know it's a complete joke.
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-05-19 17:26:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Pok Nibin
This is just like the rigged tournament. This CSM doesn't represent the player base. CCP KNOWS how they got elected. They KNOW they don't represent US. THEY KNOW, and they don't CARE. They can be that way all they want. It's their house. However, they have to live with the reputations they derive from it, not us.

PS Not to put too fine a point on it. The word you want is "dissolved."
IF "desolved" is a real word, the CSM is already that.
De-solved.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Alara IonStorm
#14 - 2012-05-19 17:27:13 UTC
Katja Faith wrote:

I personally didn't vote in the last one (four accounts) because I know it's a complete joke.

You won't run or vote but you want to effect how it works...

If more people want it gone then want it then why not nominate and vote only for people who would recommend dissolving it.
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#15 - 2012-05-19 17:28:09 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
The CSM was suppose to be about helping CCP in the development of the game. Lately it has been about meta game, both in and out of game, and all about certain individuals and corps. The game does not revolve around them. There are thousands of players that try to enjoy this game. With the actions of the latest CSM, since day one, it is clear that they have no interest in anything to do with the game that doesn't involve their own interest.


just because Goons havefun doesn't mean you can't....
Pok Nibin
Doomheim
#16 - 2012-05-19 17:36:47 UTC
Himnos Altar wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
The CSM was suppose to be about helping CCP in the development of the game. Lately it has been about meta game, both in and out of game, and all about certain individuals and corps. The game does not revolve around them. There are thousands of players that try to enjoy this game. With the actions of the latest CSM, since day one, it is clear that they have no interest in anything to do with the game that doesn't involve their own interest.


just because Goons havefun doesn't mean you can't....

Next thing you know, you'll be telling us water is wet. Sharp observation there. Really.

The right to free speech doesn't automatically carry with it the right to be taken seriously.
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#17 - 2012-05-19 17:37:35 UTC
Himnos Altar wrote:
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
The CSM was suppose to be about helping CCP in the development of the game. Lately it has been about meta game, both in and out of game, and all about certain individuals and corps. The game does not revolve around them. There are thousands of players that try to enjoy this game. With the actions of the latest CSM, since day one, it is clear that they have no interest in anything to do with the game that doesn't involve their own interest.


just because Goons havefun doesn't mean you can't....


This isn't about a corp, the CSM is about the game. By taking this mess in-game and making it part of the meta game that is EVE it can easily be used as a means to influence CCP to make changes that normally wouldn't be made. CSM was never meant to be a political entity within the game. It is turning into one though. And that is a bad thing.

It's about the game and its development. The CSM were suppose to be the players voice and to bring to CCP's attention the issues of the game to help CCP make the game better for "everyone" and not just a select few.
Alara IonStorm
#18 - 2012-05-19 17:49:51 UTC
Saia Tae Arragosa wrote:
By taking this mess in-game and making it part of the meta game that is EVE it can easily be used as a means to influence CCP to make changes that normally wouldn't be made.

Because they are all drooling idiots at CCP who can't see the difference between the give me an advantage idea's and the make the game fun ones?
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#19 - 2012-05-19 18:11:29 UTC
Until Selene produces his real birth certificate he's not the real CSM chair




True story

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Saia Tae Arragosa
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-05-19 18:11:54 UTC
They actually addressed this issue in the townhall meeting. They were very candid and straight forth with their answer and I am confident that the CSM is in fact keeping their CSM responsibilites seperate from their in game intities. This is good.

I asked them about this issue in the townhall and they didn't try to dodge or make light of this issue at all. That says a lot about the people on the current CSM.

Confidence restored. Big smile
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