EVE General Discussion

End of lag ??

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=rHIhp_vpeIs&feature=feedu

This is still lag, time dilation is no new feature. It exists in all online servers hell Ultima Online had same feature, Dark age of camelot had the lag meter.

All they did was put a meter up that shows you the lag, you still have lag, camera is choppy, ui slows down, can barely move, and too laggy you'll still get disconnected or wait forever for client to respond.

so instead of fixing lag problems, they add a lag meter, give it the technical term, time dilation is used in second life, ultima online, everquest, etc its just CCP after all these years finally are adding a lag meter like all mmo's have had since the 90's

so they call it time dilation and make lag a feature instead of fixing it lol, love the illusion and wool they pull over your eyes.

Oh really? Can you mention another game that does what TiDi does? In fact, do you even know what TiDi does? It sure doesn't sound like it.
…except, of course, that TiDi is not the same as a “lag meter”.
No, that is not all they did. In fact, that is not at all what they did. The meter does not measure lag — it measures time dilation. Granted, the difference is lost on you since you don't know that this feature actually is, but if you go and read up on it, you might understand.
…except that, again they are fixing lag problems and that they aren't adding a lag meter.

So that's pretty much a 100% inaccurate post. Impressive.

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No. When it lags, the server does not have the time to properly process all the data, so it misses things, and you don't get the response you expect. To fix this, they slow the server down (or, rather, the server-side simulation) so it does have the time to process the data, and thus you get the response you expect… only at a slower (but consistent) rate.
Still no. They're essentially giving themselves a way to load-balance over time, as opposed to over multiple processors, and they give us an indicator telling us how much slower the simulation is running in order to deal with all the processing.

TiDi does not “fix lag” — it fixes the negative side-effects of an overloaded server, and the unfairness of those side-effects.

Dont try to keep up with the Highsec pubbies who dont know what lag truly is tippia, its a endless struggle

No, you just failed to use sarcasm to show how silly the OP was being.

Partly because you weren't sarcastic, and partly because what you said wasn't really connected to anything the OP said… but mostly because the OP wasn't all that silly.

See? Much better version…

…but of course, Naran Eto, had you used that one, you would still have sounded as fundamentally clueless about what TiDi actually does, so while that kind of answer would perhaps have served your purpose better, the result and the answer would have been the same: nope.

edit: …also it's pretty counter-intuitive to quote one person to respond to someone else.

Everywhere that I've seen people talking about relativity, they talk about time "slowing down" in the ship that is moving faster. So I'm quite comfortable with people talking about "slowing the server down" because that is what is actually happening.

When the server cannot process 1 seconds worth of calculations, it just keeps going until it's done the calculations and then the 1 second mark is announced. So on the server, "one second" has passed. To the observer, it's been two seconds. Thus, the server is slowing down.

As Ben Kenobi said, it all depends on your point of view. Or as Einstein said, it all depends on your frame of reference.

My frame of reference is as a programmer, so of course "the server" to me means "the simulation". The hardware is only ever an afterthought. From my point of view, all you folks foaming at the mouth and telling people "ZOMG THEY R NOT SLOWIN SEVER DOWN" are fair dinkum raving loonies. Because they are slowing the server down, that's exactly what Time Dilation is doing. Anyone who has even a rudimentary understanding of special relativity knows this.

I count 1 second, the server hasn't quite reached 1 second, from my frame of reference, the server is slow. From the server's frame of reference, I'm clicking buttons too fast. Does Time Dilation slow the server down, or speed up the clients? Well, depends on your frame of reference I guess. But I'm an egotistic, narcissistic human (you know, the kind of person who clicks the links to see which posts people have liked, and then I sit and read my post and think, "wow, that person really has a good point!" and then wonder why I can't "like" the post) so to me the obvious frame of reference is mine.

I take the behaviourist approach to systems that I do not control. That is to say, I don't give two hoots about what's happening inside the box, I only care that I push button, receive bacon. Does it matter what hardware, operating system or programming language are used on the server? Not a dime. All that matters to me is that I launch a salvo of missiles at that frigate, and that frigate explodes.

But I digress.