Jita Park Speakers Corner

I like Issler.

If only ~our spy~ had access to the magic button that would make them drop all their so-

Oh wait, they don't have sov.

Like with BoB though, you find suddenly find many members in a new "The Honda Accord" though, if that were to happen.

Issler is completely insane. Just putting it out there.

I have read over the mail posted in the first post a few times,and also read over the replies real fast.

Normally i would never post in any subject regarding CSM or its members since quite frankly i dont care one bit about CSM,but i decided to speak up since im actually starting to feel a bit sorry for Issler.
Now also please keep in mind that i dont know anything about Issler or his/her alliance or corp so i can only speak on what i see in this thread.

In one of Isslers posts he said that the mail was ment as a reply to people who tought that he could use his influence on the CSM to get an end to the war if i understood it correctly. Its hard to say weather or not this is true since there is no way to know what other alliance mails have been sent before this,or what had been going on in their forums or alliance chat.

I will also admit that im not a native english speaker which will ofc also make it more likely that i completely misread something.

But here is what i can imagion happend;
*bunch of corp and alliance members are whining about the alliance beeing under constant war"
"several convos and mails comes out begging for Issler to try and use CSM or contact CCP to get an end to the war abusing his position in CSM"
"Issler finally gets enough of the constant spam and sends out a very frustrated alliance mail"

The mail is very..messy i will admit but again,if the above is anywhere close to what happend i can see why it was rushed the way it was. Its hard enough being a CEO or an alliance leader,and then finding your self on the CSM as well causes even more emotional stress. And i also highly doubt it would have been written in such a messy way if it was intended,or even suspected that it would get public.
But more or less what it is saying is that no,CSM wont help since the alliance is being attacked by people who are IN the CSM thus its pointless to try and push him into trying to make something happen with the war using his CSM role.
Atleast thats the way i read it after reading Issler's comment and reading trough it again.

Now for the negative comments about CCP and CSM.. In my personal opinion a CSM member is allowed to feel whatever they want to about both parties. I mean..isent one of the points of being on the CSM that you can help cause changes and prevent CCP from doing something that the majorety of the player base wouldent appricate/agree with? Thus people who has nothing against what CCP is doing/planning should not see the need,or wish to be on CSM (exept for the "fame" which sadly is enough to make several people try to run i guess).
The same goes for other CSM members and their alliances/corporations/accosiates. As long as a CSM member treats the other CSM members with respect during meetings and in public discussions there is nothing that says they cant try to blow eachother up on a daily basis. The tricky part is to remember this and not let your emotions take over when you have to be constructive.

The rest of the mail honestly just seems to be trying to give the members something to work towards,give them the oppertunety to help change things without having to rely on him being a CSM member. And also to try and create a short morale boost. Which again could make sense if the war is indeed this harsh on them that they want someone to abuse their power to get an end to it.

So again..i can have misunderstood something due to the language barrier,and i also dont know any backstory to all of this. But it seems a bit silly that so many people are angry at this person for a bad mail that was most likely written while under a lot of stress and pressure without even considering that they dont have all the information.

But then again i might just be to nice and naive and this is a behavior that is normal and occurs on a regular basis,but i do hope thats not the case. I guess what im saying is...even if the majorety of the forum warriors cant wait for an oppertunety to bash on someone is it possible that 8 pages filled with mocking and angry posts is a bit overkill unless people have all the facts behind the mail?

Sorry for such a long post...I wanted to try and explain my view points as well as possible to avoid any misunderstandings

That'd almost make sense had it not been followed up by a tantrum about how the game is "beyond broken" because people aren't 100% safe to do whatever they want. As she mentioned in the evemail herself, this flies completely in the face of what CCP has publicly wanted for the game.

On one hand, it's important for the CSM to have a diverse view of things, a CSM that plays various parts of the game, etc. That said, it's a valid question to ask how useful the opinion of someone who is fundamentally opposed to CCP's vision of the game overall is, though.

Ahnk was misunderstood.

I don't care about Issler on the CSM, I just find it funny that she'd show her hand about what she wants the game to be so early on in this term. If her opinions weren't already going to be marginalized, they sure as hell will be now, and for good reason.

Amen brother!

Well odd that we have spies in a highsec corp? Yeah, it's almost like we did some work or maybe just read eveskunk or whatever it comes from. But you see, Goons are all the spais.

That and there's no way Issler can be the great evill of EVE. We're still here, so it ain't happening unless we push our own button first. Or forget to pay the sov bills. Or kick our sov holding corp, but that's unlikely ...

Someone more significant (for whatever reasons) than yourself...and all of the vanity corporations and alliances won't change that, sadly.