EVE General Discussion

Diversity you mean, and aren't courier missions part of that diversity?
Yes they're awful, yes those are tedious as hell once you've done a few however you, as many other people around, forgot that newbies need to explore, to see those incredible gates warp to planets and belts and actually EXPLORE the world their toon lives in, and doing COURIER missions is one way like another of doing it, probably more relaxing than start by shoot red crosses.

It's some way of starting Eve, but by your first comment you just forgot the essential of Eve witch is a sad observation, Eve is a sandbox.

Again: SANDBOX

Now be a nice boy/gal and write it hundred times to remember at some point, you were the noob and maybe Eve wasn't that easy for a lonely cowboy



Now this time you made a small effort just instead of smacking, +1 point for you.

You should always be positive or bring positive points you know now because you're not a newb any more, and if I'm not wrong it's exactly what this noob came here for, advices.



The only waste is the time this newb or my self spend reading forum jerks bullying new players. Everything else is called "social experience".

Greetings fellow Distribution mission runner.

I'm sorry you had the unfortunate experience of wandering into a meat-grinder gate camp like that and losing your ship, pod and mission cargo. Don't be discouraged!

I have a few suggestions for you:

1. If you don't want to touch low sec at all, see if your corp has a distribution agent of the same level located elsewhere, further from the border to low sec space. Where your agent sends you depends on where they are located. If they are nowhere near low sec, then none of their missions will send you there.

2. If you must go from high sec to low sec, set your autopilot to "Prefer shorter" rather than the default "Prefer safer". While the "Prefer safer" route will have more jumps in high sec space, it will often direct you to a choke point system where pirates frequently setup camps.

3. Check the statistics on your proposed route to low sec to see how many ships have been destroyed in the last 24 hours and last hour. If one of the jumps on your route says there has been a lot of kills there, tell your autopilot to avoid that system.

4. Lastly, consider finding an agent deep in low sec space, if your corp has them there. You wouldn't think it, but deep low sec is not as deadly as the low/high sec border systems. Since you'll always be on the move, it will be difficult for roaming pirates to catch you, especially since your route will change constantly (depending on where the mission sends you). Gate camps that deep in low are also extremely rare.

5. Fit your indy to give you an edge should you run into a small gate camp. Below is what I use for low sec hauling and distribution missions:

Hoarder

High
Prototype Cloak

Medium
Invulnerability Shield Hardener I
Medium Shield Extender I
Medium Shield Extender I

Low
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Warp Core Stabilizer I
Expanded Cargohold II

With decent ship skills, the hoarder aligns surprisingly quickly for an industrial of its size. Gate campers tend to only get one salvo off on you before you enter warp. Just turn on your hardener before hitting warp if you enter a gate camp. If you don't need any expanded cargoholds, consider swapping that for a Damage Control I for some extra EHP. The most important part is that this ship is cheap. All combined, it is probably worth only 2.5 million. If you swap the cloak for a slavager and drop the cargohold to a tech 1, probably only 1.5 million and Platinum Insurance on a Hoarder pays a bit over 500K




I doubt this build would have survived that gate camp you described...but I have escaped 4 man gate camps

The OP may have quit, but there's still some useful discussion from the subject in general.



This is an interesting surprise, as well as the below. Do you mind telling us what standings raise you've gotten out of doing this? No need for corp or empire name, just curious what the standings change has been so far.

It's been a week filled with people leaving this game because this of that (sux). Goons wardeccing a forum badmouthing smart ass being not that smart, an Orca suddenly and "with no apparent reason" getting killed by Concord and now this one with no reading skills.

Exit of WoW players?

@Alain

I was able to grind level 4 distribution missions from 5.00 rep to 6.67 rep over a couple days. I could easily make the push for 8.00 jump clone status if I wanted to. The build I described has 7800 M3, which is enough for any cargo load a L4 might give you.

I only lost my ship once (And this was before I fit a proper tank...)
During my grind, I ran into 7 minor gate camps. After losing my ship to the first one and updating my fit, I survived the other 6 without being knocked down into armor. The largest camp was 4 ships. Almost all the ships in camps were battlecruisers of one form or another. The one time I had to fail a mission didn't set my standings back too far. I had them back up in no time.

My agents were all in .3 space.

I Average 500K in mission + time bonus rewards each mission and get around 1000 LP. Those rare high-bonus missions can give me upwards of 700K ISK and 1300 + LP. (I have Negotiation III and Distribution Connections IV)


But the greatest benefit of all is that it actually makes distribution missions somewhat interesting as you monitor local, gates, and occasionally have to take some fire from a camp. It gives you a good feel for the region, who the locals are, who the pirate corps are, when people operate and where.

I now operate mostly in Low sec because of how comfortable I became with the area and can reliably ferry goods in and out of high sec as I know some lesser-used border systems.

Plus, then the supercapitals will never die and oh dear ...

You get the bad rep with the agent if you accept the mission and fail, there is no bad rep for declining the mission at least if you don't do it within 4 hours of the last mission you declined from that agent. I have a list of agents I can go to, if one offers me 2 missions I don't want within 4 hours I delay the the second, no rep penalty and decline it later after 4 hours or more have passed, again no rep penalty. Meanwhile I can go to another agent even within the same corporation and get a mission from them. The only ones I really hate are storyline missions I have to decline. No way I'm flying a ship that can hold 40000m3 of cargo into losec, it ain't going to happen, it'd take me 2 trips in my industrial anyway and it just doesn't align fast enough or have enough tank to make it. I'm a loner and I don't dual-box so I have no one scouting for me. I can do lvl4's for all 4 empire factions, the Khanid Kingdom and the Sisters of Eve, that means I have to decline any combat missions against any non-pirate faction as well. It sucks but I do make a lot of isk with or without the storylines.

Wasn't the level cap 50 yonks ago, when Angmar was the endgame zone, and not just a place you did you class quest and then ditched for Moria?

And you come up with solutions that don't work.
80% of Courier missions level 3 and 4 send you to low sec.
All the choke points are camped
There is no need to check my map. I know the answer. DON'T DO THE MISSIONS.
Noobs find that out by losing a ship, a pod and the last week of standings they got grinding trash missions.

Low level content doesn't punish me. I DON'T DO IT.
It punishes new players.

They can check this and spend 4 hrs reading that and go listen to scam artist goons and bad info from trolls and lets roll out the long list of things that won't make jackshit the difference. The content is a bait trap for noobs.

Blah, blah, blah until your face falls off. It's low class development.

Such rage...

Have you been taking "restricted" boosters recently to "enhance" your combat ability?