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CSM Member Issler Dainze: A Threat To The Legitimacy of the CSM and All of Lowsec

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Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#121 - 2012-05-19 01:40:38 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Dawn Flare wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Vaal Erit wrote:
I dunno what happened but Issler has gone completely bat *%&@ crazy with tin foil hattery. Thinking that PL and goons own all the CSM and run the game and other such nonsense, he is literally insane.

On the other hand I applaud him for fighting back instead of docking, whining and demanding the game to be changed like 99.99% of the other carebears out there.


Where on earth have I said any of that? In fact from as near as I can see the goon influence in the CSM 7 is virtually non-existent.

You can do better.

Issler

Good job attacking one of the few people to even halfheartedly stand up for you.

Attracting more people to unsub for your cause there, baus.


Corrected in the original post, my response was to the claim I was making this about some sort of GOON/PL run the CSM thing.

Issler

Better idea than trying to change history?

Grow up and learn to think about your words before you say them, instead of regretting it afterwards.

Exactly the same behavior you so reviled in the Mittani, but without an apology afterward.
Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#122 - 2012-05-19 01:41:18 UTC
corestwo wrote:
so much for your previous post being the "last thing you'll say on the subject"

She was trying to be humble.

Badly, but she was trying, give at least that much credit.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#123 - 2012-05-19 01:44:31 UTC
Dawn Flare wrote:
corestwo wrote:
so much for your previous post being the "last thing you'll say on the subject"

She was trying to be humble.

Badly, but she was trying, give at least that much credit.

No, that meant "oh crap you guys are right, I'll act like I don't care."

Didn't want those political points anyway.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#124 - 2012-05-19 01:45:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
EvilweaselSA wrote:


Do the right thing, Issler: Resign.


I agree about this; but because of the insanity.

Issler Dainze wrote:


I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.

When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.

Issler


Ppl who believe your in game actions = you in real life dont need to be talking to CCP face to face
Havent read OP yet

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Gabriel Kaile
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#125 - 2012-05-19 01:47:21 UTC
Issler Dainze wrote:
Dawn Flare wrote:
Issler Dainze wrote:
Vaal Erit wrote:
I dunno what happened but Issler has gone completely bat *%&@ crazy with tin foil hattery. Thinking that PL and goons own all the CSM and run the game and other such nonsense, he is literally insane.

On the other hand I applaud him for fighting back instead of docking, whining and demanding the game to be changed like 99.99% of the other carebears out there.


Where on earth have I said any of that? In fact from as near as I can see the goon influence in the CSM 7 is virtually non-existent.

You can do better.

Issler

Good job attacking one of the few people to even halfheartedly stand up for you.

Attracting more people to unsub for your cause there, baus.


Corrected in the original post, my response was to the claim I was making this about some sort of GOON/PL run the CSM thing.

Issler


Hello Issler "littlerally" Dainze.

Keep digging that hole.
Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#126 - 2012-05-19 01:47:26 UTC
Ahhh, the pundits of EVE.

So much fun to be in this company :-D
Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#127 - 2012-05-19 01:48:47 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:


Do the right thing, Issler: Resign.


I agree about this; but because of the insanity.

Issler Dainze wrote:


I've commented repeatedly that behavior in game reveals a truth about a person in their real life as well. Never has that been demonstrated so successfully in the alliance panel this year at Fanfest.

When the truth lube is applied in large quantities folks show you who they really are.

Issler


Ppl who believe your in game actions = you in real life dont need to be talking to CCP face to face
Havent read OP yet

O.o;;
Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#128 - 2012-05-19 01:58:31 UTC
Yes, dont forget, Issler was the first CSM to jump on Mittens after Fanfest, in the same thread I got that quote FROM, before Vile Rat jumped on her about the vote rigging scandal

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#129 - 2012-05-19 02:05:36 UTC
Renn Aldard wrote:
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Renn Aldard wrote:
Feelsgood Man wrote:
Serge Bastana wrote:
How do you carry out a vote of no confidence on a CSM member?


I'm not sure you can otherwise Darius III wouldn't have made it to the end of the CSM6 term.


Mittani did it

Not voluntarily. Darius' incompetence is voluntarily on the other hand. Oh wait, doing it voluntarily means you are aware of your actions. So Darius' incompetence isn't voluntarily therefore will always be a terrible CSM.

But which one is still on the CSM?


There IS NO recall or removal of ANYONE on the CSM for any reason other than they stand down or (IE Mittens) mistake reality for the game while "being a drunken *******" - direct quote by mittens on the EVE Radio show for those that like to pretend he never blamed the alcohol

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Gabriel Kaile
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#130 - 2012-05-19 02:12:51 UTC
Antisocial Malkavian wrote:
There IS NO recall or removal of ANYONE on the CSM for any reason other than they stand down or (IE Mittens) mistake reality for the game while "being a drunken *******" - direct quote by mittens on the EVE Radio show for those that like to pretend he never blamed the alcohol


He didn't blame the alcohol, shitbird. He said it was completely his fault, even if he was drunk.
Evelyn Meiyi
Corvidae Trading and Holding
#131 - 2012-05-19 02:13:20 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Issler Dainze recently sent this missive to her alliance:
.


Okay, so:

1) How did you obtain a supposedly-private alliance communication?

and

2) What was the purpose of posting it here (except to prove that you (or your source) can't be trusted with private correspondence)

I'm calling nonsense. You're either a disgruntled member of the alliance in question, or you fabricated this whole thing to discredit a CSM that isn't voting the way the Goons want.

So, OP -- which is it?
Snow Axe
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#132 - 2012-05-19 02:18:26 UTC
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
So, OP -- which is it?


Well considering Issler already confirmed the evemail's validity with her first post in the thread, I guess Evilweasel must be a disgruntled former member of The Honda Accord! That is literally the only way someone could ever get hold of another alliance's ~PRIVATE COMMUNICATIONS~, after all.

"Look any reason why you need to talk like that? I have now reported you. I dont need to listen to your bad tone. If you cant have a grown up conversation then leave the thread["
Dawn Flare
Federal Navy Academy
Gallente Federation
#133 - 2012-05-19 02:18:29 UTC  |  Edited by: Dawn Flare
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Issler Dainze recently sent this missive to her alliance:
.


Okay, so:

1) How did you obtain a supposedly-private alliance communication?

and

2) What was the purpose of posting it here (except to prove that you (or your source) can't be trusted with private correspondence)

I'm calling nonsense. You're either a disgruntled member of the alliance in question, or you fabricated this whole thing to discredit a CSM that isn't voting the way the Goons want.

So, OP -- which is it?

Have you never heard of a spy?

Edit: For example
EvilweaselSA
GoonCorp
Goonswarm Federation
#134 - 2012-05-19 02:19:39 UTC
Evelyn Meiyi wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Issler Dainze recently sent this missive to her alliance:
.


Okay, so:

1) How did you obtain a supposedly-private alliance communication?

and

2) What was the purpose of posting it here (except to prove that you (or your source) can't be trusted with private correspondence)

I'm calling nonsense. You're either a disgruntled member of the alliance in question, or you fabricated this whole thing to discredit a CSM that isn't voting the way the Goons want.

So, OP -- which is it?

if i fabricated it one might assume the author, who has posted in this thread repeatedly verifying its authenticity, might have objected
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#135 - 2012-05-19 02:23:58 UTC
Quote:

They Cannot Win!!
From: Issler Dainze
Sent: 2012.05.17 06:57
To: The Honda Accord,

So coward blimp ego mittens hired similar coward to destroy our POSs in Illamur. To give you an idea of how screwed up this is in the context of Eve, the allinace hired was Pandemic Legion, what is where the head of the CSM lives, so we are littlerally being attacked by the CSM. Basically Eve is beyond broken. CCP is actually totally supportive of goons and ganking, they think of it as player content. They encourage and support hulkagedon! They actually laugh about miner tears. Unless players join together this summer like they did over CCPs plans to exploit players using microtranactions I can't imagine how most of us could enjoy this game in a year.

So what does BEEP become during the occupation? First, we hunt these bastards! They don't take us seriously! We have ships, guns and motivation. Goons in high sec are a joke! We make that clear to them.

We help drive the tide to take Eve back.

More about that soon, but players like us are the majority and we are fed up!! Let's take out game back!! Time for the bullies to have some of that sand that always like to talk about to be kicked in their face!

So let me know what you think, where is the future for us? Issler




CCP is right saying it's a driven player content: if some content created by other players is not going on like you wish, you should do something about it.

However, your comment about CCP encouraging and supporting goons looks more like support bullies/griever attitude/actions with an obvious and intended lack of rules, witch it's not new, who ever played in high sec knows this.

I don't know what were you expecting when you joined CSM but, welcome to Eve?

brb
Nephilius
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#136 - 2012-05-19 02:35:37 UTC
Metric f*ckton of tears in this thread.

Welcome to Eve?
"If."
Myxx
The Scope
#137 - 2012-05-19 02:40:52 UTC
Before.. I was kind of indifferent to issler with his/her initial fuckup with calling out mittens during mittanigate. I was willing to forgive that because, well, **** happens. Please don't make me think of you as poorly as Darius III or Ahnk.
James 315
Experimental Fun Times Corp RELOADED
CODE.
#138 - 2012-05-19 02:55:59 UTC
Having read through the OP and Issler's subsequent responses, I have to admit I feel that Issler's resignation from the CSM would be appropriate.

A shame it's come to this. Sad

MinerBumping.com
No More Heroes
Boomer Humor
Snuffed Out
#139 - 2012-05-19 02:59:42 UTC
Looking back through old posts I see that The Mittani's CSM was widely regarded as the most effective ever, resulting in the Crucible expansion which everyone loved. This internal alliance mail from this Issler Dainze person clearly reveals this individuals disregard for the 'office' of the CSM and their intention to use it as a personal vehicle to harm groups that they have conflicting playstyles with in-game.

People who can't or won't do the job of representing the Eve Online community with malice towards none shouldn't be in the position. Issler Dainze must go.

.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#140 - 2012-05-19 03:10:00 UTC
James 315 wrote:
Having read through the OP and Issler's subsequent responses, I have to admit I feel that Issler's resignation from the CSM would be appropriate.

A shame it's come to this. Sad

+1

Issler must go, being a shame on the office of the CSM.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.