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Are Carebears killing Eve? A carebears rant

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Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#1 - 2012-05-19 01:17:46 UTC  |  Edited by: Jonah Gravenstein
LolI'm a carebear, I hug hisec like a child hugs their favourite toy. I personally don't want the PVP dynamic of Eve to change, Space is a cold dark harsh enviroment, it's not civilised and the little law enforcement that we have is designed to punish not protect, this is a good thing btw it adds risk.

I see lots of threads whining about hulkageddon, burning tradehubs, ninja salvagers, scammers etc, these are legitimate gameplay options as far as I'm concerned.

Eve is harsh, the gameplay options that people are whining about have been in the game for it's entire life, they make Eve what it is, they make Eve different from pretty much any other title out there. Nobody, other than CCP, would have the bottle to let us do what we do in Eve, or would have even thought to provide the frameworks that let us choose from the whole spectrum of "evil" empires in null to corps dedicated to helping out noobs, sometimes they are one and the same.

Anybody in Eve can rise to the top of the food chain, but you can't do it alone, you need the support of people who are involved in all aspects of Eve, some charisma and good planning will take you far as well

To those that are doom mongering about Eve and gameplay that they don't like, please kindly shut up and take your whining elsewhere, you make those of us that adapt and deal with it look bad, you also feed the trolls (please don't do this, some of them are fat enough already Twisted )

Eve has worked fine as it is for the last 9 years, the PVP dynamic doesn't need to change, if it did change so that hisec became safer I dare say a lot of players would actually leave to be replaced by the instant gratification crowd that leave after a couple of month because Eve=Effort.

Eve has a reputation for being a merciless environment, it's reputed to be a hardcore MMO and yes the learning curve is steep. These are what keeps the oiks out, the game itself filters out those that are unworthy P.

TL;DR

Stop whining, start doing or GTFO

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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MatrixSkye Mk2
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#2 - 2012-05-19 01:23:17 UTC  |  Edited by: MatrixSkye Mk2
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Stop whining, start doing or GTFO

You know, that statement of yours above should not just apply to carebears. Goons tend to be one of the whiniest alliances, as are the "tough hardcore" PVPers looking to dumb down their game by making already weak targets even weaker. So yes, it should apply to them too.

Successfully doinitwrong™ since 2006.

Jonah Gravenstein
Machiavellian Space Bastards
#3 - 2012-05-19 01:24:13 UTC
MatrixSkye Mk2 wrote:
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
Stop whining, start doing or GTFO

You know, that statement of yours above should not just apply to carebears. Goons tend to be one of the whiniest alliances, as are the "tough harcorde" PVPers looking to dumb down their game by making already weak targets even weaker. So yes, it should apply to them too.



True enough it applies to everybody

In the beginning there was nothing, which exploded.

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Malak Dawnfire
Unquestionable Prosperity
Grand Inquisitors Federation
#4 - 2012-05-19 01:34:40 UTC
Carebears have money and thus, they pay for accounts, buy plex to make more Isk and form "carebear" groups with others, namely inviting friends to play the game with them.

Everybody else on the other hand, steals money to pay for accounts, destroys haulers full of 90 plex and drive away millions of people from the game, CCP loses money by siding with these..THESE MEANIES!!!!!

Note: They also cause the worlds problems.
Masikari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#5 - 2012-05-19 02:08:51 UTC  |  Edited by: Masikari
Over 75% of players live in HS -and I class all HS (risk-adverse) dwellers carebears- plus there are the null-bears. So lets say 80-85% of all players are carebears. Therefore, Eve will not exist without them. Simples
Surfin's PlunderBunny
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-05-19 02:20:22 UTC
It's their fault Hulkageddons and Burn Jita happen. Evil

"Little ginger moron" ~David Hasselhoff 

Want to see what Surf is training or how little isk Surf has?  http://eveboard.com/pilot/Surfin%27s_PlunderBunny

Shian Yang
#7 - 2012-05-19 02:32:31 UTC
Masikari wrote:
Over 75% of players live in HS -and I class all HS (risk-adverse) dwellers carebears- plus there are the null-bears. So lets say 80-85% of all players are carebears. Therefore, Eve will not exist without them. Simples


Greetings capsuleer,

I applaud the gusto and verve with which you approach matters. There is definite flair and panache; especially with such a succinct delivery - almost as if you truly believed it.

The reality is however that 75% of handled do not live in CONCORD patrolled areas of New Eden as you said. I believe the accurate figure was around 70% of capsuleers living under the wing of CONCORD. Capsuleers.

There is a difference. A slight one, perhaps. A bit one, maybe. But taking anything but capsuleer numbers from what CCP has released is futile.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Hecatonis
Imperial Shipment
Amarr Empire
#8 - 2012-05-19 02:45:10 UTC
i find that most complaints come from non-carebears and people complaining about carebears complaining. These carebears, myself included, almost never complain. we adapt and change with the game.
Karl Hobb
Imperial Margarine
#9 - 2012-05-19 03:00:12 UTC
I, too, enjoy carebearing dangerously and losing ships hilariously in gate camps.

A professional astro-bastard was not available so they sent me.

Herzog Wolfhammer
Sigma Special Tactics Group
#10 - 2012-05-19 03:16:51 UTC
Ironically I do have a security blanket but I'm not in high sec lately.

Bring back DEEEEP Space!

Karn Dulake
Doomheim
#11 - 2012-05-19 04:08:41 UTC
If i dont see a HTFU thread on this forum at least one a day i cant sleep at night
I dont normally troll, but when i do i do it on General Discussion.
Bluddwolf
Heimatar Military Industries
#12 - 2012-05-19 04:15:11 UTC
Malak Dawnfire wrote:
Carebears have money and thus, they pay for accounts, buy plex to make more Isk and form "carebear" groups with others, namely inviting friends to play the game with them.

Everybody else on the other hand, steals money to pay for accounts, destroys haulers full of 90 plex and drive away millions of people from the game, CCP loses money by siding with these..THESE MEANIES!!!!!

Note: They also cause the worlds problems.



I for the life of me can't understand why Plex is being transported in ships to begin with. Why would anyone do something so stupid?

Plex should be transferred from player to player using the contract system. When they buyer arrives to the station where the contract is being held, He/she picks it up and uses it (30 days play time) or sells it on the spot of ISK.

EVE Online Fan ... Looking for "End Game" since 2006 ... Happily, I still havn't found it

clamslayer
Doomheim
#13 - 2012-05-19 04:41:28 UTC  |  Edited by: clamslayer
I'm jumping on the anti hulkageddon band wagon. Im a suicide ganker myself, but i dont indiscriminately gank targets. I feel the consequences for suicide ganking needs to increase significantly. CCP intended suicide ganking to be a means of making isk, not tears and cancelled subs.
Mohr Cowbell
KarmaFleet University
#14 - 2012-05-19 05:40:56 UTC
This **** right here, is a good post. See, its not that difficult.
Boomhaur
#15 - 2012-05-19 06:19:40 UTC
Now days I seem to see PVPers whine just as much as the carebears, mostly it's about stupid things too on both sides. Though I seem to question the carebears who whine about mechanics a lot more. I also question them if they truely are a carebear or someone trolling because sometimes they just seem too stupid to have lasted as long in the game as they did to try to form some of their aguments, why X should be changed and how it stop CCP losing subscribers etc.

Welcome to Eve. Everyone here is an Evil Sick Sadistic Bastard who is out to get you. Anyone who tells you otherwise is either trying to scam you or use you.

Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#16 - 2012-05-19 07:44:34 UTC
Bluddwolf wrote:
Malak Dawnfire wrote:
Carebears have money and thus, they pay for accounts, buy plex to make more Isk and form "carebear" groups with others, namely inviting friends to play the game with them.

Everybody else on the other hand, steals money to pay for accounts, destroys haulers full of 90 plex and drive away millions of people from the game, CCP loses money by siding with these..THESE MEANIES!!!!!

Note: They also cause the worlds problems.



I for the life of me can't understand why Plex is being transported in ships to begin with. Why would anyone do something so stupid?

Plex should be transferred from player to player using the contract system. When they buyer arrives to the station where the contract is being held, He/she picks it up and uses it (30 days play time) or sells it on the spot of ISK.


you.....do realize you can use Plex remotely, right? You could be in your Class 6 Wormhole, buy a Plex in Jita, or the ass end of null sec, say, Drone space, via contracts, and activate it right there.
Himnos Altar
An Errant Venture
#17 - 2012-05-19 07:48:32 UTC
Jonah Gravenstein wrote:
LolI'm a carebear, I hug hisec like a child hugs their favourite toy. I personally don't want the PVP dynamic of Eve to change, Space is a cold dark harsh enviroment, it's not civilised and the little law enforcement that we have is designed to punish not protect, this is a good thing btw it adds risk.

I see lots of threads whining about hulkageddon, burning tradehubs, ninja salvagers, scammers etc, these are legitimate gameplay options as far as I'm concerned.

Eve is harsh, the gameplay options that people are whining about have been in the game for it's entire life, they make Eve what it is, they make Eve different from pretty much any other title out there. Nobody, other than CCP, would have the bottle to let us do what we do in Eve, or would have even thought to provide the frameworks that let us choose from the whole spectrum of "evil" empires in null to corps dedicated to helping out noobs, sometimes they are one and the same.

Anybody in Eve can rise to the top of the food chain, but you can't do it alone, you need the support of people who are involved in all aspects of Eve, some charisma and good planning will take you far as well

To those that are doom mongering about Eve and gameplay that they don't like, please kindly shut up and take your whining elsewhere, you make those of us that adapt and deal with it look bad, you also feed the trolls (please don't do this, some of them are fat enough already Twisted )

Eve has worked fine as it is for the last 9 years, the PVP dynamic doesn't need to change, if it did change so that hisec became safer I dare say a lot of players would actually leave to be replaced by the instant gratification crowd that leave after a couple of month because Eve=Effort.

Eve has a reputation for being a merciless environment, it's reputed to be a hardcore MMO and yes the learning curve is steep. These are what keeps the oiks out, the game itself filters out those that are unworthy P.

TL;DR

Stop whining, start doing or GTFO


You lie. EVE is dying (yet again). contract me your stuffz. I'll take good care of them.
Degren
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#18 - 2012-05-19 08:07:46 UTC
Didn't read post, this would imply eve is dying.

NO.

But they're sure ******* trying.

Hello, hello again.

Masikari
State War Academy
Caldari State
#19 - 2012-05-19 08:11:52 UTC  |  Edited by: Masikari
Shian Yang wrote:
Masikari wrote:
Over 75% of players live in HS -and I class all HS (risk-adverse) dwellers carebears- plus there are the null-bears. So lets say 80-85% of all players are carebears. Therefore, Eve will not exist without them. Simples


Greetings capsuleer,

I applaud the gusto and verve with which you approach matters. There is definite flair and panache; especially with such a succinct delivery - almost as if you truly believed it.

The reality is however that 75% of handled do not live in CONCORD patrolled areas of New Eden as you said. I believe the accurate figure was around 70% of capsuleers living under the wing of CONCORD. Capsuleers.

There is a difference. A slight one, perhaps. A bit one, maybe. But taking anything but capsuleer numbers from what CCP has released is futile.

Regards,

Shian Yang


I have a lot of time for you, Sir. Excellent response. The substance of your text is written very much in the same way as my brother would have responded to one of my posts. And I miss him dearly.

/me sits back down
Sneakybustard
Doomheim
#20 - 2012-05-19 08:22:54 UTC
over extending griefing is killing eve
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