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The end is Nigh! Making more mining hisec ores in Covetor than ratting in nul!
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Celeste Benal
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-18 13:30:07 UTC
Did the maths. You read it right. I am now making more mining pyro and jaspet site in hisec than I am ratting in Fountain with my main using a Drake.

Numbers:
Covetor: pulls 3386.19 m3 per cycle solo, giving me 40-45M isk/hr on jaspet and pyro.
Drake: I get 8-10M ticks running anoms for 24-30M isk/hr

So it seems I would have to improve my isk/hr in nul by 50% to make up the difference. Or I could just move this toon down there and mine Prime Ark for 75M isk/hr.

It is now official: Ratting sucks.
knulla
Doomheim
#2 - 2012-05-18 13:32:32 UTC  |  Edited by: knulla
Celeste Benal wrote:
Did the maths. You read it right. I am now making more mining pyro and jaspet site in hisec than I am ratting in Fountain with my main using a Drake.

Numbers:
Covetor: pulls 3386.19 m3 per cycle solo, giving me 40-45M isk/hr on jaspet and pyro.
Drake: I get 8-10M ticks running anoms for 24-30M isk/hr

So it seems I would have to improve my isk/hr in nul by 50% to make up the difference. Or I could just move this toon down there and mine Prime Ark for 75M isk/hr.

It is now official: Ratting sucks.



It sucks with a lot more risk compared to something with barely any risk at all, not to mention the mining can be botted or done afk 99% of the time. We know and we wait for CCP to fix their game.

 [u]Malice Redeemer[/u] - "Post if you are unsubing over the new inventory"  Posted: 2012.05.23 01:39

    lol
Pohbis
Neo T.E.C.H.
#3 - 2012-05-18 13:38:48 UTC  |  Edited by: Pohbis
knulla wrote:
It sucks with a lot more risk compared to something with barely any risk at all, not to mention the mining can be botted or done afk 99% of the time. We know and we wait for CCP to fix their game.
LOL

A lot more mining ships are killed in hi-sec, than ratting ships ratting in their own Sov.

Also, Drake is about the slowest ratter you can find. The other is a V skill ship ;)

None of it matters tho, no ISK is generated by mining, as opposed to ratting.

CCP is not rewarding miners, the market is.
Malcanis
Vanishing Point.
The Initiative.
#4 - 2012-05-18 13:42:58 UTC
Celeste Benal wrote:
Did the maths. You read it right. I am now making more mining pyro and jaspet site in hisec than I am ratting in Fountain with my main using a Drake.

Numbers:
Covetor: pulls 3386.19 m3 per cycle solo, giving me 40-45M isk/hr on jaspet and pyro.
Drake: I get 8-10M ticks running anoms for 24-30M isk/hr

So it seems I would have to improve my isk/hr in nul by 50% to make up the difference. Or I could just move this toon down there and mine Prime Ark for 75M isk/hr.

It is now official: Ratting sucks.


It seems that things are as they should be. Mining has now become a valuable and desirable activity.


Keep banning those bots, CCP; let's see what other professions can be reclaimed for human players!

"Just remember later that I warned against any change to jump ranges or fatigue. You earned whats coming."

Grath Telkin, 11.10.2016
Copine Callmeknau
Dirty Vagrants
Intergalactic Space Hobos
#5 - 2012-05-18 13:44:34 UTC
So?

I make more money picking my nose than you would in your drake or your coveter

There should be a rather awesome pic here
Botleten
Perkone
Caldari State
#6 - 2012-05-18 13:44:42 UTC
Fly a better ratting ship. A tengu will get you 20-22 mil per tick, thus 60-66 mil per tick... more than doubling the miner's income.
Metal Icarus
Star Frontiers
Brotherhood of Spacers
#7 - 2012-05-18 13:50:40 UTC
The end will never come as it is just an endless cycle of events that drive the prices of everything up and down.

This will pass eventually, but this is a good time to be a miner that knows what he/she is doing.
MadMuppet
Critical Mass Inc
#8 - 2012-05-18 14:00:41 UTC  |  Edited by: MadMuppet
There are more people dying while mining than dying while ratting these days. Mining is dangerous business.

Also, yell at the players, not at CCP. They are the ones paying those ore prices, not CCP.

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"If you are part of the problem, you will be nerfed." -MadMuppet
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#9 - 2012-05-18 14:12:19 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Celeste Benal wrote:
Did the maths. You read it right. I am now making more mining pyro and jaspet site in hisec than I am ratting in Fountain with my main using a Drake.

Numbers:
Covetor: pulls 3386.19 m3 per cycle solo, giving me 40-45M isk/hr on jaspet and pyro.
Drake: I get 8-10M ticks running anoms for 24-30M isk/hr

So it seems I would have to improve my isk/hr in nul by 50% to make up the difference. Or I could just move this toon down there and mine Prime Ark for 75M isk/hr.

It is now official: Ratting sucks.



Nice try your math is wrong.
Oh and by the way Jaspet is only found in Grav Sites in high-sec, which isn't sustainable and you didn't account for.
The time it takes to find the sites.
haul the ore to a station.
Refine it
Sell it on the market.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#10 - 2012-05-18 14:22:25 UTC
Simetraz wrote:
Celeste Benal wrote:
Did the maths. You read it right. I am now making more mining pyro and jaspet site in hisec than I am ratting in Fountain with my main using a Drake.

Numbers:
Covetor: pulls 3386.19 m3 per cycle solo, giving me 40-45M isk/hr on jaspet and pyro.
Drake: I get 8-10M ticks running anoms for 24-30M isk/hr

So it seems I would have to improve my isk/hr in nul by 50% to make up the difference. Or I could just move this toon down there and mine Prime Ark for 75M isk/hr.

It is now official: Ratting sucks.



Nice try your math is wrong.
Oh and by the way Jaspet is only found in Grav Sites in high-sec, which isn't sustainable and you didn't account for.
The time it takes to find the sites.
haul the ore to a station.
Refine it
Sell it on the market.



This

When he could be mining crokite in null... Lol

brb
Bootleg Jack
ACME Mineral and Gas
#11 - 2012-05-18 14:23:48 UTC
Celeste Benal wrote:
Did the maths. You read it right. I am now making more mining pyro and jaspet site in hisec than I am ratting in Fountain with my main using a Drake.

Numbers:
Covetor: pulls 3386.19 m3 per cycle solo, giving me 40-45M isk/hr on jaspet and pyro.
Drake: I get 8-10M ticks running anoms for 24-30M isk/hr

So it seems I would have to improve my isk/hr in nul by 50% to make up the difference. Or I could just move this toon down there and mine Prime Ark for 75M isk/hr.

It is now official: Ratting sucks.


I'm not a miner, but Jaspet is in high sec now? I guess I thought that was a low sec ore.

I'm an American, English is my second language...
Skorpynekomimi
#12 - 2012-05-18 14:41:58 UTC
That's a good thing! Harvesting SHOULD be better than the unlimited ISK faucet of rat bounties.

Economic PVP
Vaerah Vahrokha
Vahrokh Consulting
#13 - 2012-05-18 14:45:54 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Celeste Benal wrote:
Did the maths. You read it right. I am now making more mining pyro and jaspet site in hisec than I am ratting in Fountain with my main using a Drake.

Numbers:
Covetor: pulls 3386.19 m3 per cycle solo, giving me 40-45M isk/hr on jaspet and pyro.
Drake: I get 8-10M ticks running anoms for 24-30M isk/hr

So it seems I would have to improve my isk/hr in nul by 50% to make up the difference. Or I could just move this toon down there and mine Prime Ark for 75M isk/hr.

It is now official: Ratting sucks.


I'm not a miner, but Jaspet is in high sec now? I guess I thought that was a low sec ore.


His exact math just missed the little details like wasting an hour to find a grav site 6 jumps away, having to luck out and get a rare large size site that lasts more that 30 minutes, having to move mining ship and hauler over there, having to divide the income by 2 (because an hauler is still a subscription tied to do that. Else he can solo mine but then the time doubles to ferry the stuff over), having to divide the income per hour by the time needed to scan another grav site (being able and scan grav sites is also a decent SP expense as well).

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Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-05-18 15:06:01 UTC
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Celeste Benal wrote:
Did the maths. You read it right. I am now making more mining pyro and jaspet site in hisec than I am ratting in Fountain with my main using a Drake.

Numbers:
Covetor: pulls 3386.19 m3 per cycle solo, giving me 40-45M isk/hr on jaspet and pyro.
Drake: I get 8-10M ticks running anoms for 24-30M isk/hr

So it seems I would have to improve my isk/hr in nul by 50% to make up the difference. Or I could just move this toon down there and mine Prime Ark for 75M isk/hr.

It is now official: Ratting sucks.


I'm not a miner, but Jaspet is in high sec now? I guess I thought that was a low sec ore.


it, as well as the other lowsec ores, are somewhat rare in highsec and only spawn in grav sites, which are a pain to scan down anyway.
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#15 - 2012-05-18 15:09:17 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Celeste Benal wrote:
Did the maths. You read it right. I am now making more mining pyro and jaspet site in hisec than I am ratting in Fountain with my main using a Drake.

Numbers:
Covetor: pulls 3386.19 m3 per cycle solo, giving me 40-45M isk/hr on jaspet and pyro.
Drake: I get 8-10M ticks running anoms for 24-30M isk/hr

So it seems I would have to improve my isk/hr in nul by 50% to make up the difference. Or I could just move this toon down there and mine Prime Ark for 75M isk/hr.

It is now official: Ratting sucks.


I'm not a miner, but Jaspet is in high sec now? I guess I thought that was a low sec ore.


His exact math just missed the little details like wasting an hour to find a grav site 6 jumps away, having to luck out and get a rare large size site that lasts more that 30 minutes, having to move mining ship and hauler over there, having to divide the income by 2 (because an hauler is still a subscription tied to do that. Else he can solo mine but then the time doubles to ferry the stuff over), having to divide the income per hour by the time needed to scan another grav site (being able and scan grav sites is also a decent SP expense as well).


You can make more ninja salvaging for the same amount of time expended.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#16 - 2012-05-18 15:17:31 UTC
Vaerah Vahrokha wrote:
Bootleg Jack wrote:
Celeste Benal wrote:
Did the maths. You read it right. I am now making more mining pyro and jaspet site in hisec than I am ratting in Fountain with my main using a Drake.

Numbers:
Covetor: pulls 3386.19 m3 per cycle solo, giving me 40-45M isk/hr on jaspet and pyro.
Drake: I get 8-10M ticks running anoms for 24-30M isk/hr

So it seems I would have to improve my isk/hr in nul by 50% to make up the difference. Or I could just move this toon down there and mine Prime Ark for 75M isk/hr.

It is now official: Ratting sucks.


I'm not a miner, but Jaspet is in high sec now? I guess I thought that was a low sec ore.


His exact math just missed the little details like wasting an hour to find a grav site 6 jumps away, having to luck out and get a rare large size site that lasts more that 30 minutes, having to move mining ship and hauler over there, having to divide the income by 2 (because an hauler is still a subscription tied to do that. Else he can solo mine but then the time doubles to ferry the stuff over), having to divide the income per hour by the time needed to scan another grav site (being able and scan grav sites is also a decent SP expense as well).


Or do it the short way:

He's blowing it out his ass.
Slowest ratting ship

plus

BEST POSSIBLE situation mining in high

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.

Ptraci
3 R Corporation
#17 - 2012-05-18 15:26:23 UTC
ITT: EVE players once again prove that they suck at math.

Yeah you are making more in that grav site than ratting in null. Now, how many systems did you have to scan down to find the site? How long did that take? How long will it take you to find another grav site (they don't last forever you know)? How much time is hauling taking? Versus: warp to the next combat site, lock, shoot, collect bounties. And yeah, with the right upgrade installed ratting sites DO last forever.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#18 - 2012-05-18 16:34:51 UTC
So it's some kind of cute I'm mining for more more isk, mine more guys troll or hulkageddon trap?

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Serge Bastana
GWA Corp
#19 - 2012-05-18 16:45:10 UTC
Alavaria Fera wrote:
So it's some kind of cute I'm mining for more more isk, mine more guys troll or hulkageddon trap?


Yes.

WoW holds your hand until end game, and gives you a cookie whether you win or lose. EVE not only takes your cookie, but laughs at you for bringing one in the first place...

Andreus Ixiris
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#20 - 2012-05-18 16:55:30 UTC
And thus it comes full circle, as I confidently predicted it would. Null-sec pilots are displeased about the relative safety and profitability of the mining profession. Instead of whining, they instigate a large series of (perfectly legitimate) countermeasures to lower the safety of mining and destroy the assets of miners. Miner ability to meet demand is diminished, but demand for minerals increases due to increased number of ships being destroyed. Supply cannot match demand. Mineral prices rise, and thus so do the prices of everything depending on them. Those miners that are left are able to sell their product at an inflated price due to the efforts of the null-sec dewllers. Hulkageddon will end soon, and high-sec miners will come back out to mine again. In the current market, they'll make a lot of money. Null-sec pilots will soon become displeased with the relative safety and profitability they enjoy.

The cycle will repeat.

This is how the market works, guys. If you disrupt the supply of a commodity, it will become more valuable, and those still able to produce it will make more money selling it.

Andreus Ixiris > A Civire without a chin is barely a Civire at all.

Pieter Tuulinen > He'd be Civirely disadvantaged, Andreus.

Andreus Ixiris > ...

Andreus Ixiris > This is why we're at war.
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