EVE General Discussion

Eh wrong...

10x = 9.99
10x != 9.999

10x - x = 8.991

Nice troll though...lol

Does the boeing fly 5 to 7 times better compared to 1 computer ?
I say it flies the same.
That means it has infinite stacking penalty.

The stacking penalty encourages diversity.

In an old MMO I used to play (City of Heroes) they didn't have a stacking penalty, so everyone just took the same enhancements for their powers to maximize them. It got rather dull. Then they introduced a stacking penalty and builds got a lot more diverse and interesting.

Given the huge variety of modules available to us, it would be a shame if 95% of them fell by the wayside in favor of spamming and stacking the popular 5% of them on every single ship build.

When you have two computers computing something that is embarrasingly parrallel, then yes, you (theoretically) get twice the throughput, however, most things are not embarrasingly parrallel. For a real world example, look at how well multiple GPUs are doing, generally you won't get speedups of more than 1.5, it is bloody dificult to balance the polygons between the two powerhouses that are your GPUs.

And on top of that, when you start having multiple computers working on the same problem, you start getting trouble with communication, you need all machines to be on the same page at the same time exchanging data so processors tend to spend a lot of time waiting for data; it's actually a very interesting topic for computer science geeks.

Tl;dr: Here is a bucket and a spoon, go and play in the sandbox.

Btw the comparison to the several backup systems on a Boeing doesn't apply here. Being back up systems only one or two of them is ever running at one time.

The thing you probably haven't realized yet is that things kinda like the stacking penalty really does occur in real life, ESPECIALLY on computers. This is why it's actually not a very good idea to go nuts on this multi-core stuff and why AMD has created a heterogeneous mutli-core system in the form of the APU. They already know multi-core isn't gonna go anywhere.

The basic concept is that the more cores you cram into a processor the more time you have to spend in processing just to figure out which core does what. In the end your performance gains level off as you add more cores and in the end you need to add 100s to gain 1% or something.

I've also seen the same thing in a similar regard. I've been working with someone that is developing a new 8-bit processor (yes people still use those, small stuff like TV remotes and digital clocks) and this processor has better performance than most of the standard 8-bits used today. Just like with multi-core we find that the performance gain our processor has over the other levels out at a certain number of instruction cycles.

In regard to Co-processors in EVE their stacking penalties would make a LOT of sense in real life given the examples above. It can then be extrapolated to pretty much everything in EVE that has a stacking penalty. For resistance modules you can make a claim that the way resistance works in the EVE universe works on mechanics of physics that create the same curve with a falloff of efficiency. For heat sinks I would imagine the same is true in real life. You can only add so many heat sinks or change the heat sinks so much before you start dropping off heat dissipation potential they have.

Another guy in this thread had a good analogy too, 1000s people can't build a house in two minutes. CCP has even said the same thing about artists. They can't just crank out new ships or even updated versions of existing ships just by throwing more art guys at it. Having two art guys working on the same bit of concept art will not go well.

So see the concept of a stacking penalty is very much a real life thing and makes a LOT of sense for these things in EVE. It just has the added benefit of giving the game balance to ensure things don't get too overpowered. In fact I'd be willing to say that there could be a universal stacking penalty equation that we could apply to real life to give someone the %loss in efficiency based on how difficult, involved, or creatively taxing a task is and how many people or "units" you throw at it.

So what fairy land do you drift into when you boot your computer? I want some of what he's smokin'.

In a game that's so obviously out of touch with reality, trying to equate such-and-such in the real word with this-and-that in a game that exists in 'fluidic' space, where things can be and are seemingly invented, from scratch, repeatedly, where capital ships can be jumped from one point of the 'universe' to another but you can't have an in-space call with your mission agent and time-dilation affects the lowliest mission runner in Dodixie is so, utterly, bat-**** insane you shouldn't even try.

Back under your bridge, young troll-let.

My Apologies, I stand corrected. Whenever you work with infinite concepts Math can get screwy...

Next week on the myth busters....