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MERLIN - Missile slots gone. tear tear.
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Fortis88
Caldari Salvage Corp.
#41 - 2012-05-12 16:14:22 UTC
Kalli Brixzat wrote:
Fortis88 wrote:
The Caldari Merlin needs at least one more missile slot for a total of 3. And another low slot while you're at it. I am tired of flying Caldari ships and finding out that half of the turret slots are not for missiles. WTF. I am Caldari. I shoot missiles. Give me more missile slots.


Hookbill. That is all.







Hookbill costs 30x more than the Merlin. Awesome ship though. Not cost effective.
Francis Longbottom
Apotheosis Enterprises
#42 - 2012-05-15 00:40:15 UTC  |  Edited by: Francis Longbottom
Fortis88 wrote:
Kalli Brixzat wrote:
Masamune Dekoro wrote:
Lady Ayeipsia wrote:
To heck with the merlin, where is my t1 missile based destroyer?


THIS 100x THIS


Seconded. If there's a 7 launcher Destroyer in the works, I will be rocking that **** on day 1.







There's a 6 launcher destroyer but it is Amarrian. (wtf). The Heretic. The Caldari destroyers are trash.


It used to be able to fit a full spread of launchers and then got the nerf bat.. People had it with 7 standard launchers.. thats pure rapesauce to a frig.
Shame they screwed it though.. Even the Heretic is a mix platform and lacks..
The only t2 destroyer that they gave a full spread of guns is the minmatar.. which of course they get the goodies.. Its not called Winmatar for a reason..Whats worse, they are the dual platform race and everyone else got the mix but them.
Francis Longbottom
Apotheosis Enterprises
#43 - 2012-05-15 00:55:41 UTC
Gallente is way better with hybrid, why they want to mix caldari with them and make them suck at is, is beyond me..They just need to fix all missiles make them useful in pvp, turn the caldari hybrid ships to missile..
If you want hybrid, go gallente.. they are far better at it.
Dato Koppla
Spaghetti Militia
#44 - 2012-05-15 01:43:01 UTC
On SiSi, Merlin lost it's resistance bonus for the damage bonus, essentially making it crap as optimal bonus for small blasters is lulz, and rails have excessive range and don't need the optimal bonus.

Damage/Resistance would make the Merlin an awesome brick with blasters.

Have you guys seen the new Incursus though > > 10% bonus to reppers + more fitting + 2 low slots O.O
Unimaginative Guy
Dutch Squad
#45 - 2012-05-15 01:55:26 UTC
Id kill for an upscaled Merlin that was the size of a battlecruiser and got a 7.5% HAM Bonus and 10% Missile Veclocity bonus. Easily the coolest looking hull in the game.
Velarra
#46 - 2012-05-15 02:09:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Velarra
As much as i adore missiles... -really, just breakdown and train hybrids, ewar, and drones too!

(Simultaneously - yes, a T1 destroyer with launchers would be very much appreciated. With an ewar bonus perhaps?)
Smabs
State War Academy
Caldari State
#47 - 2012-05-15 04:41:39 UTC
Merlin is pretty good right now.

Having 3 guns, a utility high and a damage bonus would make it a bit FOTM and overpowered for a t1 frigate.
Fortis88
Caldari Salvage Corp.
#48 - 2012-05-16 19:00:54 UTC
The Merlin shields and shield resistances are fantastic. Dont fix something that is not broken. If you are going to change anything on the Merlin it needs to be the addition of missile slots. Not the deletion of shield resistances for dps upgrades. I can bring up my dps by just adding another missile slot.
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#49 - 2012-05-17 12:48:10 UTC  |  Edited by: Duchess Starbuckington
Fortis88 wrote:
The Merlin shields and shield resistances are fantastic. Dont fix something that is not broken. If you are going to change anything on the Merlin it needs to be the addition of missile slots. Not the deletion of shield resistances for dps upgrades. I can bring up my dps by just adding another missile slot.


Newsflash, newbie:
1. The resistance bonus on the Merlin is coming back, last dev post I saw.
2. How exactly do you claim to be a Caldari pilot yet be so blissfully unaware of the dozen or so hybrid ships that make up part of their lineup/philosophy?
The Kestrel is the T1 missile frigate
The Merlin is the T1 gun frigate, and is being buffed to better fit this role.
It's really that simple. (For people who aren't you, at least.)

The missile ships in the Caldari lineup significantly outnumber the turret ones, why exactly do we need more of them? (I mean besides to save your pathetic ass from training gunnery 1)

A third of the Caldari lineup is gunnery based. Dry your tears and deal with it.

P.S Caldari pilot here who has skilled both guns and missiles.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#50 - 2012-05-18 02:58:32 UTC
Fortis88 wrote:
The Caldari Merlin needs at least one more missile slot for a total of 3. And another low slot while you're at it. I am tired of flying Caldari ships and finding out that half of the turret slots are not for missiles. WTF. I am Caldari. I shoot missiles. Give me more missile slots.


It's the story of a guy flying some Dominix.

He couldn't understand why he couldn't fit bigger guns than 350's (meta of course) and full rigs/mids of cap rechargers/energy rigs.
"WHat the heck? -my battle cruiser has more dps than this crap and what the heck is this drones bonus? I want guns not drones!!"

Well...

brb
Korbin Valenroth
Mom's Friendly Industrial Company
#51 - 2012-05-18 03:59:18 UTC  |  Edited by: Korbin Valenroth
I believe the real problem lies with the fact that the Merlin has two missile slots but no bonuses for them. It seem as if they were added as an afterthought. Couple of options might be...
1. change hybrid optimal to 5% and add a 5% bonus to launcher rate of fire
2. replace both missile slots with a turret and change to 7.5% hybrid optimal 5% hybrid damage 5%, keeping shield bonus
3. Leave it as is.
Ares Renton
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#52 - 2012-05-18 05:49:31 UTC  |  Edited by: Ares Renton
Quote:
[Kestrel, kesty]
Micro Auxiliary Power Core II
Damage Control II

1MN Afterburner II
Warp Scrambler II
Medium Shield Extender II

Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Rocket
Rocket Launcher II, Caldari Navy Trauma Rocket

Small Bay Loading Accelerator I
Small Core Defence Field Extender I
Small Anti-EM Screen Reinforcer I


Took over 10000 hours in EFT.

P.S. Give the Merlin 3 turrets, 3 launchers, 4 high slots and a role bonus to missiles. Fix'd.
Zarnak Wulf
Task Force 641
Empyrean Edict
#53 - 2012-05-18 07:03:34 UTC
The Merlin has been redone on SISSI for quite a while now. It is going to be a pure hybrid boat. Done. Get ******* over it.
Arec Bardwin
#54 - 2012-05-18 10:48:07 UTC
Zarnak Wulf wrote:
The Merlin has been redone on SISSI for quite a while now. It is going to be a pure hybrid boat. Done. Get ******* over it.

Yeah, Merlin is now a mini Harpy. Bloody awesome if you ask me!
Fireflyb1
Walden 2.0
#55 - 2012-05-18 12:43:02 UTC
Yah the merlin seriously needs more turret slots
Arec Bardwin
#56 - 2012-05-18 12:46:22 UTC
Fireflyb1 wrote:
Yah the merlin seriously needs more turret slots

In sisi it has 3 turret slots, one high has been moved to low, so 3/4/3 layout.
Fireflyb1
Walden 2.0
#57 - 2012-05-18 12:57:12 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Fireflyb1 wrote:
Yah the merlin seriously needs more turret slots

In sisi it has 3 turret slots, one high has been moved to low, so 3/4/3 layout.


:O woot! that's absolutely perfect lol, can't wait to try it out solo in nullsec ;)
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#58 - 2012-05-18 13:35:55 UTC
Bit of a shame about the lack of a utility high but for an extra low I certainly can't complain there. CCP has done a damn good job with this one.
Hans Tesla
RigWerks Incorporated
#59 - 2012-05-18 16:13:03 UTC
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Fireflyb1 wrote:
Yah the merlin seriously needs more turret slots

In sisi it has 3 turret slots, one high has been moved to low, so 3/4/3 layout.

Daddy likey. That's great. Hated that split-slot layout, not a fan of the Tristan for the same reason.

Head Rigger In Charge
Duchess Starbuckington
Doomheim
#60 - 2012-05-18 21:12:15 UTC
Hans Tesla wrote:
Arec Bardwin wrote:
Fireflyb1 wrote:
Yah the merlin seriously needs more turret slots

In sisi it has 3 turret slots, one high has been moved to low, so 3/4/3 layout.

Daddy likey. That's great. Hated that split-slot layout, not a fan of the Tristan for the same reason.

To be honest it's not like either were bad ships, but the split weapons did make them significantly less newbie-friendly, and really what's the point of a non-newbie friendly T1 frigate?