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Let carebears be carebears (PVP Opt Out)

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Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#161 - 2012-05-17 19:32:00 UTC
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Eve online is NOT PVP............... try to shoot random ship in 0.5 - 1.0 sec......................Big smile

ive done this a lot

usually, the ships i shot at blew up

its great fun


What people tend to not understand is that nearly everything outside of running missions is pvp. If you are shooting someone, that's pvp. Whenever you buy something from the market you are being pvp'd or are associating with pvp based of market and price manipulation. Sometimes there is even PVP inside PVE environments, such as if two competing individuals are trying to run the same DED complex or random professional site at the same time. Whoever gets the faction loot drop wins.

Anytime you are competing with another player, it is PVP. There are simply different methods of it. If people even realized how much ISK they lose over an extended period of time from market PVP (or the consequence of others participating in such activities) their jaws would drop and they'd find that the loss of their ships by the random ganker or wardec is measly in comparison. The whining and crying for price caps to be put in place for every item in EVE would be thunderous!

Just as a footnote, aren't at least 90% of the players in EVE male? What has happened to our gender where so many of you are sniveling, self-entitled, whiny little babies about every little thing that you dislike? Do you need horomone therapy or something to help grow your sac back? I feel sorry for any woman that are wtih a driveling, emasculated little manchild like yourself.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#162 - 2012-05-17 20:42:57 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:
EvilweaselSA wrote:
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Eve online is NOT PVP............... try to shoot random ship in 0.5 - 1.0 sec......................Big smile

ive done this a lot

usually, the ships i shot at blew up

its great fun


What people tend to not understand is that nearly everything outside of running missions is pvp.


Running Missions is PvP as well, assuming you sell faction gear or buy things with your ISK.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#163 - 2012-05-17 21:03:23 UTC  |  Edited by: Five Thirty
I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar with what is PvP and what is not...

The OP was specifically talking about non-consensual PvP via suicide gank, being tricked into agression, and high sec war.


So much for the gankbears trying to claim they are the smarter ones in EvE.
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#164 - 2012-05-17 21:48:52 UTC
Yeeeeyyyy................ and now all say mining IS PVP..........................
Missioning IS PVP.....................
Anything you can possible do IS PVP..................

Then WTF are there so many whine threads about the fact that PVP IS death??????????
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#165 - 2012-05-17 22:08:07 UTC
Five Thirty wrote:
I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar with what is PvP and what is not...

The OP was specifically talking about non-consensual PvP via suicide gank, being tricked into agression, and high sec war.


So much for the gankbears trying to claim they are the smarter ones in EvE.


Only pure and unadulterated idiots are tricked into aggression. You shouldn't coddle the weak or stupid. Let them die as nature intended.

Also, during my alts and this toons career, guess how many times I've been sui-ganked? Zero! I've carried some very expensive stuff through notorious gankfest systems too (Perimeter, Jita, Sivala, etc) and I've not even been in danger. Know why? Because I use my brain. I never autopilot. I f*gwarp if I gotta or use a cloaky. I also don't dawdle around in places like a twit waiting for someone to come and shove 1400mm's up my deep six. I also keep up on events, too. When something like Burn Jita happens, I stay the feck away unless I want to do some pewpew myself...but at least I know where it's happening and when. It's not hard. There are a couple good news sites that keep up on the daily intel and takes all of 5min a day worth of reading.

As far as highsec wars, if you kick your aggressors in the face fast and hard from the beginning, they'll usually go away. Either that or just stay docked up for a few days and go play WoT or whatever. The war will come and go and nobody will care or notice. It's pretty easy to avoid getting whelped by wardecers if you want to. Most highsec deccers are so fail anyways that as soon as they see you even forming up anything that resembles an actual combat fleet, they flee like roaches.

Now, do I need to start passing out testosterone injections for you nancy neckbeared mouthbreathers or are we done with this threadnought of fail?
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#166 - 2012-05-17 22:13:48 UTC
Five Thirty wrote:
I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar with what is PvP and what is not...

The OP was specifically talking about non-consensual PvP via suicide gank, being tricked into agression, and high sec war.


So much for the gankbears trying to claim they are the smarter ones in EvE.



What we are saying is that if you want to PVP to be consensual then all forms of PVP have to be consensual. I do not want to buy items in the market from people who face no risk. You can not separate one form of PVP from the others because it doesn't suit your gameplay style.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#167 - 2012-05-17 23:19:46 UTC
Five Thirty wrote:
I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar with what is PvP and what is not...

The OP was specifically talking about non-consensual PvP via suicide gank, being tricked into agression, and high sec war.


So much for the gankbears trying to claim they are the smarter ones in EvE.



Actually to be accurate, the OP was specifically talking about Wardec's. The OP makes no mention of agression tricks or suicide ganks.
Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#168 - 2012-05-17 23:40:45 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Five Thirty wrote:
I'm pretty sure everyone is familiar with what is PvP and what is not...

The OP was specifically talking about non-consensual PvP via suicide gank, being tricked into agression, and high sec war.


So much for the gankbears trying to claim they are the smarter ones in EvE.



Actually to be accurate, the OP was specifically talking about Wardec's. The OP makes no mention of agression tricks or suicide ganks.



I was going to point that out. I love it when people try to act like they are smart when their comprehension skills are crap. :) Good poast!
Five Thirty
School of Applied Knowledge
Caldari State
#169 - 2012-05-18 00:18:29 UTC
Non-consensual ship to ship combat.

Is that simple enough for you gankbears?
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#170 - 2012-05-18 01:03:58 UTC
Five Thirty wrote:
Non-consensual ship to ship combat.

Is that simple enough for you gankbears?


First off, not everyone that disagrees with your views is a gankbear. And the OP started a thread on the premise of wardecs. There is an opt out essentially from wardecs. It is npc corps.

Technically there is an opt out to ganking as well. Stay in a starter system.

I don't really like suicide ganking. Personally I will never partake in it. But I wholly respect that it is a facet of this game and will defend the right for it to remain in EVE.
Flurk Hellbron
Science and Trade Institute
Caldari State
#171 - 2012-05-18 01:26:09 UTC
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Five Thirty wrote:
Non-consensual ship to ship combat.

Is that simple enough for you gankbears?


First off, not everyone that disagrees with your views is a gankbear. And the OP started a thread on the premise of wardecs. There is an opt out essentially from wardecs. It is npc corps.

Technically there is an opt out to ganking as well. Stay in a starter system. <------ not true, you cannot stay noob for weeks

I don't really like suicide ganking. Personally I will never partake in it. But I wholly respect that it is a facet of this game and will defend the right for it to remain in EVE.
Derath Ellecon
University of Caille
Gallente Federation
#172 - 2012-05-18 02:07:52 UTC
Flurk Hellbron wrote:
Derath Ellecon wrote:
Five Thirty wrote:
Non-consensual ship to ship combat.

Is that simple enough for you gankbears?


First off, not everyone that disagrees with your views is a gankbear. And the OP started a thread on the premise of wardecs. There is an opt out essentially from wardecs. It is npc corps.

Technically there is an opt out to ganking as well. Stay in a starter system. <------ not true, you cannot stay noob for weeks

I don't really like suicide ganking. Personally I will never partake in it. But I wholly respect that it is a facet of this game and will defend the right for it to remain in EVE.



I think you got your quotes messed up? Anyhow. You can absolutely stay in a starter system as long as you like. I didnt say it is a great choice, or particularily fun. But it is a place where ganking is a bannable offense.
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#173 - 2012-05-18 06:15:16 UTC
Five Thirty wrote:
Non-consensual ship to ship combat.

Is that simple enough for you gankbears?


EvE is all about any sort of Player vs Player interaction. Especially non-consensual interactions. This explicitly includes non-consensual ship to ship combat.

Concord in HS is there to provide consequences to someone who commits an unprovoked act of aggression. Gate and Station guns in LS is there for the same reason.

Repeat after me: HiSec is not, has never been, and has never been intended to be a safe place.
CCP has never advertised any part of EvE as "safe."
You joined this game with full knowledge that this sort of thing is possible and encouraged. Why are you trying to change the fundamentals of a game that other people enjoy when you knew what those fundamentals were when you started?

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Daemon Ceed
Ice Fire Warriors
#174 - 2012-05-18 07:06:24 UTC  |  Edited by: Daemon Ceed
RubyPorto wrote:

CCP has never advertised any part of EvE as "safe."
You joined this game with full knowledge that this sort of thing is possible and encouraged. Why are you trying to change the fundamentals of a game that other people enjoy when you knew what those fundamentals were when you started?


Precisely. But it's hardly worth arguing with people like this. They don't get that EVE has always been the most risky and hardcore MMO on the market. There is no play without risk. Never was, never has been, and hopefully, it never will be...subscriptions be damned.

There are plenty other games where you can carebear to your hearts extent free from the type of scum like us who love nothing more than to see you cry and squeal when we turn your ship into space dust. Stop trying to make EVE one of those games.

Now can we all grow a sac, end this discussion, and get back to work?
RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#175 - 2012-05-18 08:03:01 UTC
Daemon Ceed wrote:

Now can we all grow a sac, end this discussion, and get back to work?


Not before I tell the Carebears one more thing...

... you know, why don't I let CCP Guard tell them.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

Xuse Senna
Nocturnal Romance
Cynosural Field Theory.
#176 - 2012-05-18 08:07:25 UTC
I think Runescape has Mining :|

http://img152.imageshack.us/img152/7501/mindgamesceptionfinaldr.jpg

Cannibal Kane
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#177 - 2012-05-18 10:22:57 UTC
RubyPorto wrote:
Daemon Ceed wrote:

Now can we all grow a sac, end this discussion, and get back to work?


Not before I tell the Carebears one more thing...

... you know, why don't I let CCP Guard tell them.


CCP Guard says it best...

"Kane is the End Boss of Highsec." -Psychotic Monk

Vaju Enki
Secular Wisdom
#178 - 2012-05-18 10:51:48 UTC
Five Thirty wrote:
Non-consensual ship to ship combat.

Is that simple enough for you gankbears?


Their no such thing has non-consensual ship to ship combat in EvE Online, you make it consensual as soon as you login the game.

The Tears Must Flow

RubyPorto
RubysRhymes
#179 - 2012-05-18 11:37:43 UTC
Vaju Enki wrote:
Five Thirty wrote:
Non-consensual ship to ship combat.

Is that simple enough for you gankbears?


Their no such thing has non-consensual ship to ship combat in EvE Online, you make it consensual as soon as you login the game.


Be fair, you'd be pissed too if you got your boat violenced while docked in station.

"It's easy to speak for the silent majority. They rarely object to what you put into their mouths." -Abrazzar "the risk of having your day ruined by other people is the cornerstone with which EVE was built" -CCP Solomon

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#180 - 2012-05-18 16:32:44 UTC
I'll just leave this here:

http://stinkinguplocal.wordpress.com/2012/04/09/save-me-from-non-consentual-pvp/

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.