Player Features and Ideas Discussion

I wish the Black Ops ships had more purpose.

The only one I believe has much of a purpose in small scale combat is the Widow with it's ECM bonus.

I understand the other ships are useful when cov ops hotdropping, but they could be made much more useful if the ships inherited their racial Ewar speciality. This tweak would in my mind make them a lot more useful on the field. Why jump your black ops ship in when you could bridge in a pair of Force Recon Ships. That can not only move around cloaked but provide an actual role to a fight.

Sin

Battleship Skill: 10% Bonus to drone hitpoints and damage and 5% Remote Sensor Dampener effectiveness per level

Black Ops: 20% bonus to warp disruptor range and 5% bonus to agility per level skill

Redeemer*

Battleship Skill: 20% bonuse to Energy Vampire and Energy Neutralizer transfer amount and 25% bonus to large energy turret damage level

Black Ops: 7.5% bonus to large energy turret tracking and 5% bonus to large energy turretrate of fire per level

Panther

Battleship Skill: 5% bonus to large projectile turret rate of fire and 5% bonus to large projectile damage per level

Black Ops: 5% bonus to velocity and 60% bonus to stasis webifier range

* - 3 turret hard points on the Redeemer (this would only be fare since the Amarr Ewar of choice takes hi-slots and would reduce their damage on the field too much in comparison to the others)

I don't know how important the 125% bonus is to speed while cloaked actually is to flying Black Ops. Personally I'd give that up for being able to warp cloaked with Cov Ops cloak.

Really, I don't think giving them more tank would suit the purpose they were meant to have. Lightning strikes in small groups or to assist a bigger group.

I'd give them a bit higher resists, but not a huge boost.

Not all T2 ships have T2 resists... Heavy assaults have great resist bonuses. Recon not so much, which is more what I see the Black Ops as being. A bigger harder hitting version of the Recon

You are after all spending a lot of isk on these ships, so it would make sense to have them a little tougher

I second this for sure. Its one of the main things I think that black ops really needs, is to be able to fit a covert cloak. Recons can fir them but why not the black ops? Also the fact that you can have them on bombers as well really begs the question why not black ops?


I think CCP need to take a long look at what they are really wanting to do with them. Are they wanting to be hit and run? Support? etc.
Once we get a better idea on what CCP would like their role to be then we could come up with some potential changes which would be more inline with what they were after.

Personally I think they should have their resists increased a lot as you can have more tank on a T1 version in some cases. Im not too sure that a T2 resist would work as it may give them too much power. If not their resists then surely have their base HP increased. However to increase their base HP it could cause some of the ships to have a higher mass/sig radius which would work against them.

Jump Range.... I think this should also be increased. At the moment they cannot jump massive distances with max skills. This would potentially make them a little more viable in a covert role. This would potentially enable you to get the bomber wings to somewhere decent for a strike with less warning.

I completely agree with this, the fist black ops I trained up for was the Redeemer and I quickly and painfully found out how useless it is, they all need to get the equivalent bonuses of the Recons, the only one of use atm is the Widow and even that still isn't that good

well, my suggeested change to the redeemer would give it more DPS about than it currently has, with available hi-slots for Nos/Neut warfare. Making it a more valuable asset to a fleet. 3 turrets with 125% bonus would be equal to 6.75 turrets, then the ROF bonus which it already has, would stack up ontop of it. you wouldn't need the cap bonus of 50% which it also currently has because you would be using 50% of the number of guns. It would be more like a black ops bhaalgorn.

The only reason I suggest the 3 slots for guns, instead is that every other race in eve has their preferred Ewar in their mid-slots. But the most effective non-DPS warfare amarr do is Neuts.

Also, I wasn't meaning it as a solo boat... Like you said they are great if you can jump in on a target with a cov ops ship, but you don't have the tank to hold the target all that long, which is why I'd suggest giving them an Ewar tank. The Sin would point at distance, and be able to keep someone on the field while others jump to them. A Panther would be able to tackle them with webs and stop them burning out of range of the Sin and it's point as well as the Redeemer being a nos/neut boat. so when the rest of your party arrive you've already started capping them out.

I kinda more saw them as great ideas for tackling carriers in Cyno Jammed systems. Personally I don't think the standard cloak is any use at all, unless you are already in location, laying in wait for someone to take some bait... and as fun as that may be... it's not exactly what Black Ops is all about. To me Black Ops would be more designed to lightening strikes behind enemy lines. And you can't move about covertly without a cov cloak. So it doesn't really fit the purpose without a cov ops cloak

If you dont mind spending a lot a widow can overload to tank 3k+ dps. But if you can afford a widow, you probably afford deadspace and faction mods. It could probably go higher if you were crazy enough to officer fit. If you can afford officer and are crazy enough to use it you can overload to 4k dps tank using caps boosters.

Problem is, if you're taking a Widow to a fight then you are mostly going to be making most of it for it's ECM tank than anything else. Personal tank helps you. ECM tank helps everyone in the fleet. Especially if you are ECM'ing out a logistics platform, because a small nimble fleet with no actual logistics ship hitting a small group with logistics is in trouble unless you can neutralise the logi factor and ECM is the easiest way to do that.

Also, I'm looking on ways that we can make the Black Ops ships viable for PVP. And PVP is about making budget choices, yes you can splash out on some things. But you have to try and be as expendable as you can with a PVP ship.

Widows make basically anything within view **** bricks if it decloaks.

One of my friend's alts did that to me and I literally shat bricks