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Project Ambraelle
The Scope
Gallente Federation
#1 - 2012-05-18 02:12:12 UTC
Hi all,

Got right into this game like no other.
Since startup i have enjoyed the game, setup pi's for passive income, and missions.
Was doing a mission, distribution lvl3, took me into one .4 area, wammo, 5-7 frantic vultures immediately killing my empty it3 then my pod.
I could not get any help from anyone for the time alotted in the mission.
My fault for taking a chance, BUT the alternative was to jeopardize the mission with a bad rap against the agent.

Kind of a do and die or get bad rap.
Unfortunately that limits the play of missions for me, plus replacing the ships constantly is not enjoyable anymore.

Trashed my ships and stuff, thank you, wish yall good luck.
Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#2 - 2012-05-18 02:14:37 UTC
Wait that's it? hahahaha

Did you know you can decline missions once per 4 hours with an agent with out ANY penalty other then lack of having made that potential ISK (which in your case likely wouldn't have covered your loss)

The Drake is a Lie
masternerdguy
Doomheim
#3 - 2012-05-18 02:15:24 UTC
You can deny a mission every 4 hours from each agent. Deny lo sec ones if needed.

Things are only impossible until they are not.
URDEAD2ME
A Blessed Bean
Pandemic Horde
#4 - 2012-05-18 02:16:08 UTC
lol..
Ioci
Bad Girl Posse
#5 - 2012-05-18 02:28:19 UTC
90% of the content in EVE is legacy content. We older players don't really see it because we don't even look at that content anymore but new players like you do see it. It's so far off the chart in time vs reward it makes it comical and for people like you it's just brain cramping clutter.

Alot of games end up this way. In Lord of the Rings Online there were level 30 Signature boss kills that you could farm at 50 and make good gold. They buffed the bejezuz out of them to stop high level people from farming them not really thinking about the poor Lv. 30 who was going to get bitchstomped by that Signature that they had to do. Because cap levels stopped going there when the farming opportunity was gone the Lv. 30 simply couldn't do it and they scaled it back.

Hopefully in time CCP will see that low skilled and poor chars rely on this content as stable income and they will let up on the mandatory low sec for simple courier as well as alot of other content they crippled with nerfs. It damages both new and recovering people in EVE. The ISK is either elite or bust and if you fall down in EVE? Just unsub because you wont get back up.

Good luck in finding a game a little less neurotic in its drive to be "hard".

R.I.P. Vile Rat
Herping yourDerp
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#6 - 2012-05-18 02:39:02 UTC
Ioci wrote:
90% of the content in EVE is legacy content. We older players don't really see it because we don't even look at that content anymore but new players like you do see it. It's so far off the chart in time vs reward it makes it comical and for people like you it's just brain cramping clutter.

Alot of games end up this way. In Lord of the Rings Online there were level 30 Signature boss kills that you could farm at 50 and make good gold. They buffed the bejezuz out of them to stop high level people from farming them not really thinking about the poor Lv. 30 who was going to get bitchstomped by that Signature that they had to do. Because cap levels stopped going there when the farming opportunity was gone the Lv. 30 simply couldn't do it and they scaled it back.

Hopefully in time CCP will see that low skilled and poor chars rely on this content as stable income and they will let up on the mandatory low sec for simple courier as well as alot of other content they crippled with nerfs. It damages both new and recovering people in EVE. The ISK is either elite or bust and if you fall down in EVE? Just unsub because you wont get back up.

Good luck in finding a game a little less neurotic in its drive to be "hard".



what are you talking about... distrubution missions shouldnt make much isk, too easy to bot and people can easily auto pilot to and from locations.

Lvl 3 combat missions work fine for isk

if your really noob even level 1 combat missions can get you enough isk to buy a cruiser for level 2, then a BC for level 3.
Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#7 - 2012-05-18 03:13:35 UTC  |  Edited by: Lin-Young Borovskova
Herping yourDerp wrote:
Ioci wrote:
90% of the content in EVE is legacy content. We older players don't really see it because we don't even look at that content anymore but new players like you do see it. It's so far off the chart in time vs reward it makes it comical and for people like you it's just brain cramping clutter.

Alot of games end up this way. In Lord of the Rings Online there were level 30 Signature boss kills that you could farm at 50 and make good gold. They buffed the bejezuz out of them to stop high level people from farming them not really thinking about the poor Lv. 30 who was going to get bitchstomped by that Signature that they had to do. Because cap levels stopped going there when the farming opportunity was gone the Lv. 30 simply couldn't do it and they scaled it back.

Hopefully in time CCP will see that low skilled and poor chars rely on this content as stable income and they will let up on the mandatory low sec for simple courier as well as alot of other content they crippled with nerfs. It damages both new and recovering people in EVE. The ISK is either elite or bust and if you fall down in EVE? Just unsub because you wont get back up.

Good luck in finding a game a little less neurotic in its drive to be "hard".



what are you talking about... distrubution missions shouldnt make much isk, too easy to bot and people can easily auto pilot to and from locations.

Lvl 3 combat missions work fine for isk

if your really noob even level 1 combat missions can get you enough isk to buy a cruiser for level 2, then a BC for level 3.


"Shouldn't" doesn't mean it has to be pitiful at the point a new player has actually VERY HARD time recovering those hundreds of isk due to lack of experience in game, isk, skills and so on.

Older players don't need noobs, they actually don't need much other players since playing with alts is so much better Lol

Removing high sec, removing concord, yadayada...

brb
Implying Implications
Sebiestor Tribe
Minmatar Republic
#8 - 2012-05-18 03:34:17 UTC
rip in peace....

hello
Sisohiv
Center for Advanced Studies
Gallente Federation
#9 - 2012-05-18 04:47:33 UTC
Herping yourDerp wrote:

what are you talking about... distrubution missions shouldnt make much isk, too easy to bot and people can easily auto pilot to and from locations.

Lvl 3 combat missions work fine for isk

if your really noob even level 1 combat missions can get you enough isk to buy a cruiser for level 2, then a BC for level 3.


Low pay wasn't his complaint. Being sent through a PvP bottleneck on a low level Industrial mission was his complaint. (it was a level 3 courier mission)
You really need to do some of this low end content before you start dictating how others should progress. A level 1 mission bounties and reward won't pay more than 80K on all but 1 or 2 missions and you will jump 1 to 3 systems out to do it. Level 3 missions never pay more than 500K with bounties and rewards. You are going to be doing 100 of them to afford a battlecruiser at current prices. The content is out dated. It has been for years because bull headed CCP refuse to accept they can't force people in to the scam that is null sec.

It doesn't matter. He quit, like so many have. It's been happening for almost a decade. Say it once, say it a hundred times. if CCP don't care, I don't care.
Alavaria Fera
GoonWaffe
#10 - 2012-05-18 06:18:40 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
Herping yourDerp wrote:

what are you talking about... distrubution missions shouldnt make much isk, too easy to bot and people can easily auto pilot to and from locations.

Lvl 3 combat missions work fine for isk

if your really noob even level 1 combat missions can get you enough isk to buy a cruiser for level 2, then a BC for level 3.


Low pay wasn't his complaint. Being sent through a PvP bottleneck on a low level Industrial mission was his complaint. (it was a level 3 courier mission)
You really need to do some of this low end content before you start dictating how others should progress. A level 1 mission bounties and reward won't pay more than 80K on all but 1 or 2 missions and you will jump 1 to 3 systems out to do it. Level 3 missions never pay more than 500K with bounties and rewards. You are going to be doing 100 of them to afford a battlecruiser at current prices. The content is out dated. It has been for years because bull headed CCP refuse to accept they can't force people in to the scam that is null sec.

It doesn't matter. He quit, like so many have. It's been happening for almost a decade. Say it once, say it a hundred times. if CCP don't care, I don't care.

Being rewarded in ISK is annoying when the prices of ships go up.

Triggered by: Wars of Sovless Agression, Bending the Knee, Twisting the Knife, Eating Sov Wheaties, Bombless Bombers, Fizzlesov, Interceptor Fleets, Running Away, GhostTime Vuln, Renters, Bombs, Bubbles ?
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#11 - 2012-05-18 06:57:50 UTC
Yes, for future reference he would need to decline lowsec courier missions if he's not equipped with something that can travel (relatively) safely through lowsec and carry the right cargo. Or better still, use a Distribution agent not anywhere near lowsec. Or better again, don't do courier missions, they're awfully dull :)

Honestly though, quitting over the loss of a not even 1 million ISK ship hull seems a bit weak. You lose more from dying in WoW.
knulla
Doomheim
#12 - 2012-05-18 07:07:24 UTC
Most the old content, pretty much made 9 years ago, is terrible. CCP does need to revamp it all sooner or later, new players should not have to deal with this crap 2012, if they made me do that stuff again I would quit due to boredom.

I think new players should start out as pirates right away.

 [u]Malice Redeemer[/u] - "Post if you are unsubing over the new inventory"  Posted: 2012.05.23 01:39

    lol
Shian Yang
#13 - 2012-05-18 07:10:18 UTC
Sisohiv wrote:
Low pay wasn't his complaint. Being sent through a PvP bottleneck on a low level Industrial mission was his complaint. (it was a level 3 courier mission)


Sisohiv wrote:
It doesn't matter. He quit, like so many have. It's been happening for almost a decade. Say it once, say it a hundred times. if CCP don't care, I don't care.


Greetings capsuleer,

New Eden is never safe. Yes, crimes are punished, but when any capsuleer undocks they have essentially written off their ship. Coming back with it in one piece is a bonus. The vast emptiness is dangerous and the faster that lesson is learned the better.

It is a shame capsuleer Xercodo was not willing to learn how to use his starmap, scout or any of the other tricks that would greatly assist any industrial pilot to survive in the hostile space. But, there are some that are not cut out to be capsuleers. It is better for them to move on, become administrators, or mercenaries or do other work in New Eden that is more suited to their talents and inability to compensate and learn.

As you may well know the number of capsuleers are growing at a reasonable rate year on year. It tells me that something is right in New Eden.

Regards,

Shian Yang
Vera Algaert
Republic University
Minmatar Republic
#14 - 2012-05-18 07:15:17 UTC  |  Edited by: Vera Algaert
declining missions within the 4h timeframe is basically free as long as your faction standings are good enough to ensure agent access.

faction standing hit is really tiny, just make sure you don't have your corp standing drop below -2 by accident (it goes up a lot with each completed mission, so generally you'd only get to -2 if you have long strings of declined missions).

One key to making good income from missions is to be very selective in which missions you accept - iirc on one bot forum I used to read the consensus was that you can blacklist 16-17 of the lvl4 combat missions your agent offers (that is decline them each time they come up) and still stay reliably above -2 corp standings and keep faction standings stable (via storylines).

.
Gorki Andropov
I Dn't Knw Wht You Wnt Bt I Cn't Gve It Anymre
#15 - 2012-05-18 07:19:35 UTC
Implying Implications wrote:
rip in peace....



/me farts in his coffin
Takseen
Federal Defense Union
Gallente Federation
#16 - 2012-05-18 07:37:22 UTC
Vera Algaert wrote:
declining missions within the 4h timeframe is basically free as long as your faction standings are good enough to ensure agent access.

faction standing hit is really tiny, just make sure you don't have your corp standing drop below -2 by accident (it goes up a lot with each completed mission, so generally you'd only get to -2 if you have long strings of declined missions).

One key to making good income from missions is to be very selective in which missions you accept - iirc on one bot forum I used to read the consensus was that you can blacklist 16-17 of the lvl4 combat missions your agent offers (that is decline them each time they come up) and still stay reliably above -2 corp standings and keep faction standings stable (via storylines).


That's all well and good if you're sitting on high level 4 standings already. Kind of discouraging if like OP you're on level 3 missions and trying to grind your way up to 4s. Luckily there are better ways to avoid lowsec courier missions.
ModeratedToSilence
Republic Military School
Minmatar Republic
#17 - 2012-05-18 08:13:22 UTC
Did the OP do the tutorials? A large portion of this "legacy" stuff is well and truly covered in them.
Tippia
Sunshine and Lollipops
#18 - 2012-05-18 09:52:49 UTC
Declining missions is good for you and even if you have to do it twice in a row now and then, it's such minor hit that you'll overcome it very quickly… and it's a hell of a lot smaller a hit than having to abort them mission after having accepted it (and lost your ship).
Savage Angel
Garoun Investment Bank
Gallente Federation
#19 - 2012-05-18 11:37:07 UTC
So if what you are doing is not working, maybe try something else? Adversity teaches whether you want it to or not. Of course if you quit at the first setback, you have only learned how to quit, but you did learn.

Decline a lowsec mission, wait 4 hours until you ask for another. That way, you will never take a penalty. Also, when that box pops up telling you you might die by using the stargate you just clicked on, heed it.

Guess the advice in this thread is wasted, except that maybe some other newbie will read it before giving up.
Simetraz
State War Academy
Caldari State
#20 - 2012-05-18 12:11:01 UTC  |  Edited by: Simetraz
Missions to include distribution don't take system security level into consideration.
So if you are within 5 jumps of a low-sec system you could end up going there as part of a mission.
Even though the reward is the same as going to a 1.0 system. (rewards are based on mission lvl)

So in short, when finding someone to do missions for make sure you are around 6 jumps from the nearest low-sec or skip those missions if it is a busy low-sec system.

PS - Sense I am in a nice mode this morning, EVE Agent Finder is a site that can help you finder a better mission NPC. Distribution Missions are great for raising faction but the reward for risking low-sec for one mission is never worth the risk. Better to just pack up and move.

EVERYBODY KNOWS
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