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Ask A Psychologist About EvE

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Pod Potato
Gluttonous Hungers Inc.
#161 - 2012-05-15 20:46:49 UTC
I have a question...

Why do I have this inappropriate forum signature?

☻/ /▌ / \ This is Bob, post him into your forum sig and help him conquer the forums.

FeralShadow
Tribal Liberation Force
Minmatar Republic
#162 - 2012-05-16 02:40:33 UTC
Well, I'm glad to have sparked some interest in the subject, as I've wondered it myself many times. If you do find something, I will be very excited to read it.

One of the bitter points of a good bittervet is the realisation that all those SP don't really do much, and that the newbie is having much more fun with what little he has. - Tippia

bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#163 - 2012-05-16 05:09:06 UTC
Only response this thread needs,

This game is played by humans.

Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life.

Anticipating these human traits help immensely, both in the real world or video games.

As for out of game, my mentality is for me to know and others to assume.

But the human element is the reason I play this game, no greater game than hunting humans err human persona's.
Verte Sinkon
Viziam
Amarr Empire
#164 - 2012-05-16 05:43:58 UTC  |  Edited by: Verte Sinkon
bongsmoke wrote:
Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life.

Obviously, this guy knows what he is talking about. Why are we called homo sapiens anyway we should be homo peccunia.

It's a little known fact but hominids have hands to pick up all the money. You see money actually grew on trees back in the day and our ancestors would pick that up asap. We, meaning our ancestors, drove them to extinction from picking up all the money and that is why it doesn't grow on trees anymore.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#165 - 2012-05-16 17:07:06 UTC
bongsmoke wrote:

Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life.

Actually, it's reproduction that drives us, I think. Sex. All else is a means to get sex, or a substitute thereof.

And since many of us aren't getting laid whilst we play, we can be a downright cranky bunch.
Twisted

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

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Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#166 - 2012-05-16 17:15:14 UTC  |  Edited by: Zyress
silens vesica wrote:
bongsmoke wrote:

Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life.

Actually, it's reproduction that drives us, I think. Sex. All else is a means to get sex, or a substitute thereof.

And since many of us aren't getting laid whilst we play, we can be a downright cranky bunch.
Twisted


Actually according to Maslow's hierarchy of needs the first level of the pyramid is Physiological needs Air, water, and food are metabolic requirements for survival in all animals, including humans. Clothing and shelter provide necessary protection from the elements. The intensity of the human sexual instinct is shaped more by sexual competition than maintaining a birth rate adequate to survival of the species. And yes I wiki'd that I knew about Maslow but couldn't have told you anything about it but that shelter and food are the two first needs in it.
silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#167 - 2012-05-16 18:40:30 UTC
Zyress wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
bongsmoke wrote:

Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life.

Actually, it's reproduction that drives us, I think. Sex. All else is a means to get sex, or a substitute thereof.

And since many of us aren't getting laid whilst we play, we can be a downright cranky bunch.
Twisted


Actually according to Maslow's hierarchy of needs the first level of the pyramid is Physiological needs Air, water, and food are metabolic requirements for survival in all animals, including humans. Clothing and shelter provide necessary protection from the elements. The intensity of the human sexual instinct is shaped more by sexual competition than maintaining a birth rate adequate to survival of the species. And yes I wiki'd that I knew about Maslow but couldn't have told you anything about it but that shelter and food are the two first needs in it.

Maslow was also a slave to selfish DNA.

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc

Vyl Vit
#168 - 2012-05-17 02:14:23 UTC
Maslow is an idiot.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

Xercodo
Cruor Angelicus
#169 - 2012-05-17 02:53:06 UTC
Ursula Thrace wrote:
Jacob Stiller wrote:
Look at me! I recently received an undergraduate degree so everyone should take me seriously as an expert in voodoology.


^ this


also OP, i have a serious question. why do some people insist on inserting toilet paper into the holder so that it pulls from the bottom? are they clinically insane?


I've actually found a functional reason for this and it was so simple it blew me a way.

Putting it on backwards prevents animals (namely the stir crazy pets left home alone for too long), people,and other things from unrolling it if something happens to pull it downwards. When put on backwards the downward motion to the wall just makes the end spin :P

Applies to horizontal paper towel holders too.

The Drake is a Lie

Ares Renton
Deep Core Mining Inc.
Caldari State
#170 - 2012-05-17 04:40:30 UTC
Gahagan wrote:
Hi EvE. I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology, with continuing studies in the design and implementation of educational videogames. I greatly enjoy the social aspects and dynamics of EvE Online - it's very interesting to watch the way people behave in a sandbox environment.

There's a lot of posts on the forums that theorize why people act they way they do, but that information is seldom accurate and usually speculative. If anyone has any questions on why people behave the way they do, feel free to ask.


Dear sir,

Psychology sucks go smoke a big black cigar lol.

-Sincerely Tom Cruise
Zyress
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#171 - 2012-05-17 13:16:58 UTC
Xercodo wrote:
Ursula Thrace wrote:
Jacob Stiller wrote:
Look at me! I recently received an undergraduate degree so everyone should take me seriously as an expert in voodoology.


^ this


also OP, i have a serious question. why do some people insist on inserting toilet paper into the holder so that it pulls from the bottom? are they clinically insane?


I've actually found a functional reason for this and it was so simple it blew me a way.

Putting it on backwards prevents animals (namely the stir crazy pets left home alone for too long), people,and other things from unrolling it if something happens to pull it downwards. When put on backwards the downward motion to the wall just makes the end spin :P

Applies to horizontal paper towel holders too.


ingenius
FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#172 - 2012-05-17 15:03:33 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
I'm curious how some people justify their own duality in the game and on the forums. For example, those who want to opt out of combat PVP so that they can freely engage in market PVP, which relies on the rest of the community not being able to opt out of the market. Or those who say that "real Eve play is in _______" and insist everyone should be playing the game their way, but when others suggest changes they don't like their response is "LET ME PLAY EVE MY WAY!" These people seem completely hypocritical and I'd really like to understand how it is they make the two conflicting ideas mesh in a way that doesn't cause their brains to explode.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

FloppieTheBanjoClown
Arcana Imperii Ltd.
#173 - 2012-05-17 15:21:00 UTC  |  Edited by: FloppieTheBanjoClown
bongsmoke wrote:
Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life.

I prefer to phrase it this way: humans are innately selfish. It's in our nature to see to preservation of our genes, and that sometimes involves doing harm or allowing harm to others. Yes we do have altruistic behavior and self-sacrifice, but as social animals sometimes it's surprisingly productive--as genes are concerned--for some of the group to sacrifice for the rest. My point is that truly selfless acts are remarkably rare; most are based on the preservation of social order, which is beneficial to the individual and/or those they have a vested interest in looking after.

The more complex our social order becomes, the more apparent those selfish traits become. It's gone from ensuring that your self/family/group are secure at the expense of others to the mindless acquisition of money/power/whatever at the expense of others. Take that into the virtual world of gaming and you get an environment where people can be completely selfish without an connection or empathy for the person on the other side of the game, knowing that their actions can't do tangible harm.

Note: I understand that some people will harm themselves and others over video games. I'm not suggesting that our online actions are consequence-free, I'm simply saying that *I* can't blow up your internet spaceship in such a way that your children can't eat. If my actions result in your buying plex to replace your losses and THAT results in your children not eating, then the problem is your addiction, not my being a mean virtual person. It's the real-life selfishness of the other guy that results in problems, not the actions of anyone in the game.

Founding member of the Belligerent Undesirables movement.

Karadion Kohlar
Caldari Provisions
Caldari State
#174 - 2012-05-17 15:21:47 UTC
Gahagan wrote:
I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology.

Still doesn't qualify you to be an expert or psychologist. Come back when you get your doctorate's and master's.
bongsmoke
Visine Red
420 Chronicles of EvE
#175 - 2012-05-17 15:43:03 UTC
silens vesica wrote:
bongsmoke wrote:

Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life.

Actually, it's reproduction that drives us, I think. Sex. All else is a means to get sex, or a substitute thereof.

And since many of us aren't getting laid whilst we play, we can be a downright cranky bunch.
Twisted


So how many missions, or scams in EvE does it take to get laid if its our driving force?
Asuri Kinnes
Perkone
Caldari State
#176 - 2012-05-17 16:04:45 UTC
Caliph Muhammed wrote:

but take two+ billion isk ships out in the middle of a war in a 0.7 system and get their rectal cavity pushed in. Too stupid for a scout? Concentration and thought process meager and subpar? Or did you really mean to trash your corps killboard like that?

And with those qualities you have a job.... diagnosing the human psyche. Well if anything you prove that degrees are at their core bought and paid for. Because when I contemplate a mistake like that it comes off as having the attention span of a pissant and the intellect to match. Lemme guess you play casually but you take forum posting real serious. What a fraud.

You take your internet spaceships way too seriously. How about I give a couple other motivations?

"I don't give a ****, lets do this... 'LEEEEEROYYY JENNNNNKINSSSSS'!"
or

"I've had this bloody ship for a year... BANZAAAAAAAAAAAAAI!"
or one of my favorite quotes from a corpie:

"so if having fun means losing some ships, set the ******* on FIRE with gasoline and Tibetan monks strapped to them Reaver style"...


I play the game for fun. A lot of people (note: not *all*) who use killboards for e-peen extension therapy aren't fun to fly with. You don't sound like you would be fun to fly with because you present yourself as being too wrapped up in your efficiency %, instead of the fun %. I could be entirely wrong, but that's how you present yourself.

/popcorn

Bob is the god of Wormholes.

That's all you need to know.

Vyl Vit
#177 - 2012-05-17 17:17:54 UTC
Then, there are those who contend it is the ability for human intelligence to overcome the primal call of the DNA by employing free will and critical thinking. "My genes made me do it," isn't an excuse that will fly in a court of law.

Paradise is like where you are right now, only much, much better.

silens vesica
Corsair Cartel
#178 - 2012-05-17 23:39:31 UTC
bongsmoke wrote:
silens vesica wrote:
bongsmoke wrote:

Greed/Power/Revenge/Money are the driving force of human beings, regardless of this game or life.

Actually, it's reproduction that drives us, I think. Sex. All else is a means to get sex, or a substitute thereof.

And since many of us aren't getting laid whilst we play, we can be a downright cranky bunch.
Twisted


So how many missions, or scams in EvE does it take to get laid if its our driving force?

Or substitute thereof. ;)

The power rush of 'winning' will serve, for some folks.
In my specific case, however, along about 2am my wife will offer many inducements to come to bed, as she hates to sleep alone. :)

Tell someone you love them today, because life is short. But scream it at them in Esperanto, because life is also terrifying and confusing.

Didn't vote? Then you voted for NulBloc

Lin-Young Borovskova
Doomheim
#179 - 2012-05-17 23:47:19 UTC
Karadion Kohlar wrote:
Gahagan wrote:
I'm a recent recipient of a B.S. in Psychology.

Still doesn't qualify you to be an expert or psychologist. Come back when you get your doctorate's and master's.



Greater knowledge for sure with master/doc.

I've got a question thou: how much related education is to intelligence?

i know some guy with no certificate/diploma who passed a QI test because of it's girl friend and after 5 different tests by different experts, this guy is above 190.

How much inferior this guy can be?

brb

Antisocial Malkavian
Antisocial Malkavians
#180 - 2012-05-17 23:56:55 UTC  |  Edited by: Antisocial Malkavian
ooh ooh ooh! Diagnose me!!

Better yet, is Mittens a narcissist?

Or a sociopath?
Or a socialist?

Or just a social guy?

He's definately social, and the game DOES seem to revolve around him...
If thats the case, maybe he's not a narcissist but in reality a Star

And, isn't sanity really just a one-trick pony anyway? I mean all you get is one trick, rational thinking, but when you're good and crazy, oooh, oooh, oooh, the sky is the limit.